buying new pc

[DubbleDutch]

ok i'm going to buy a new PC
i'm going to earn alot of money this summer and the computer i have now is kinda old
120gig HD
geforce4 4600 Ti


i want a good gaming pc so i thought a 8800gt would be good
but i don't have so much knowledge about motherboard etc.

so i'd like some help :P

i plan on keeping as much as possible from my old pc like the dvd/cd drive
and for the beginning the HD (i'll get a better one later)

this is what i want
a new motherboard (i've got no clue on how much they are)
a new video card (8800 gt??? or are there better ones?)
a new case (a cool gaming case, will probably mod it myself too)
and i'll probably need a new power supply

what i plan to keep is
the HD
the dvd/cd drive

so it would be nice if someone made me a list of what i need etc. and how much it would cost (i will buy the parts in germany since they are much cheaper there and i live like 15km from germany)

[Tec_]

new motherboard (ive had very good experiences with Asus) ram and processor that match your motherboard.

when it comes to processors people have there favorites, i can only speak to AMD cause i have yet to get my hands on a Intel. but a duel core should do nicely for you (just make sure your processor matches your socket type on your mother board)

as for video cards, people will tell you to get the 9800 cause there the new one, but the 8800's are better than them, because they have faster bus speeds.

as for power supplies something around 650W would be good. modular would help with wire management, but there is a slight power loss.

if this is your first build you might look in to getting a bare bones kit. (comes with case mobo processor and other stuff depending on the kit)

depending on how much you want to spend you could be looking at any thing from $600 to $2000



if you have any questions, or want us to double check something for you just go ahead and ask

[DubbleDutch]

ok i think i will have around 700 or 800 dollar at the end of my vacation
i just got a job at a local supermarket and i'm going to deliver the paper (in the early morning) for 2 weeks

i'll only need to stop buying mod parts etc. xD

thanx for your help
and i will certainly post in this topic again when i have the money etc,

[DubbleDutch]

first of all srry for double post :P xD

now further with my post

yesterday i was looking at the alienware shop and i noticed they had a pretty good alienware PC for 999 dollar which is pretty cheap because i'm in europe (you know the euro-dollar thing :P)

so i thought why not buy that, so i started looking what it had, everything was pretty good etc. i don't need a new screen since i can use the one that i'm using now and get a better one later

but then i found out that alienware doesnt ship to europe and shipping costs 300 dollar or more !!!! 


is there any way of getting it to europe without paying that much for shipping? or can i get it in europe ?

[Tec_]

dude don't get a alienware. for the same price you can build your own that will beat the  out of it.

but if you have your hart set on it you could have one of your friends over in the US order it and send it to you for cheaper than there price. but good international shipping is gonna cost A LOT.

[DubbleDutch]

dude don't get a alienware. for the same price you can build your own that will beat the  out of it.

but if you have your hart set on it you could have one of your friends over in the US order it and send it to you for cheaper than there price. but good international shipping is gonna cost A LOT.

hmm i just found a official store in the uk for alienware and the total cost would be € 884,53 which i think is way to much
i really love their cases.

anyway if you can collect some parts for a total of 600 or 700 euro's (without keyboard, mouse, sound system, screen) that would be awesome

and if the mobo you get has an IDE socket then i won't need an HD (because i can use my old one untill i have enough money to get a sata one)

[VoX]

I wouldn't go the way of Alienware, to put it promptly, there premade peices of . I would work out what parts to buy and build it your self. This will save you money and will leave you with a better computer. There might even be enough money to buy a new PC case if you really want a cool case

- Vox

[Tec_]

I wouldn't go the way of Alienware, to put it promptly, there premade peices of . I would work out what parts to buy and build it your self. This will save you money and will leave you with a better computer. There might even be enough money to buy a new PC case if you really want a cool case

- Vox

then why dont you suggest some parts in his price range like he asked

[Tec_]

im double posting for a good reason

Moather Board

Processor

Ram

Graphics Card

grand total $555.97 usd = 361.418449 Euros

im running almost the same set up and its more than i could ask for and for my first build its a very nice set up. grate beginner set up.
i did how ever leave out a OS, a HDD, a disk drive, a case, a mouse, a monitor and a power supply. some of those you could pull from your old system others you may want to buy new.

(all of the above parts are in no way "the best" or "most incredible" but they have proven to me to be powerful and stable system. and have influenced my opinion as to parts selected)

[MattZani]

if you had like twice the money, i would suggest a MAC PRO!!!

8 Cores of POWER

[Reaper]

if you had like twice the money, i would suggest a MAC PRO!!!

8 Cores of POWER

More like if you have 4 times the money, it costs 500 dollars alone to boost from 2gb to 4 gbs of ram...
Thats a server, not a computer, I mean my quadcore has had crysis running in the background, listening to music, MSN messenger, uTorrent and Photoshop on at the same time and still had more than 50 percent of every core on standby

[dedafmonteur]

dont buy an alienware, they are good but they are expesive.

buy a xxodd, i am going to buy one to.

http://www.xxodd.nl/index.php?p=artikel&ID=210&e=2

http://www.xxodd.nl/index.php?p=artikel&ID=286&e=2

oh, and if ya got to much money:

http://www.xxodd.nl/index.php?p=artikel&ID=304&e=1

[Reaper]

dont buy an alienware, they are good but they are expesive.

buy a xxodd, i am going to buy one to.

http://www.xxodd.nl/index.php?p=artikel&ID=210&e=2

LMAO at this one, only an 8500gt?  Thats like onboard graphics...

[MattZani]

a Mac Pro is a professional PC, for things like HD Movie and Heavy Photo Editing etc. Music creation.

That said, i do WANT one, i mean its soo cool!

[noah03ark]

a Mac Pro is a professional PC, for things like HD Movie and Heavy Photo Editing etc. Music creation.

That said, i do WANT one, i mean its soo cool!

if you had like twice the money, i would suggest a MAC PRO!!!

8 Cores of POWER

i second that

[Tec_]

i believe he wants a PC, like it said in the title.

that being said, a mac lap top can not compete with a PC (you all know im not a mac basher and that i even want one)

so lets get to helping him build a nice PC in his price range

[Reaper]

a Mac Pro is a professional PC, for things like HD Movie and Heavy Photo Editing etc. Music creation.

That said, i do WANT one, i mean its soo cool!

Then why would you suggest it in a thread for someone who specifically stated in the original post

i want a good gaming pc

[dedafmonteur]

LMAO at this one, only an 8500gt?  Thats like onboard graphics...

blahahaha....yeh it sucks.....but look at the laptop link.
PWNED....


no dont reply with some excuse your pwned

Intel Core2 Quad Q6700 (2,66GHz, 1066Mhz FSB, 2x4Mb cache)
4GB DDR2 800MHz geheugen (2x 2GB dual channel) 
3x 200Gb 7200RPM Serial-ATA 
Blu-ray ROM / DVD-CD +/- brander incl. PowerDVD Ultra 
300mb/ps WLAN
2x nVidia GeForce 8800m GTX 512MB GDDRIII


that's what i call a laptop! and dont argue about the price cause it's good!

[Tec_]

guys knock off the lap top banter as far as we know ^{(based on what hes said)} he wants a PC. theres plenty of threads dedicated to arguing about mac's and other laptops

[Skullmaster]

technically a pc is more general usage, a PC (personal computer) is a computer designed for use by one person at a time.

[Reaper]

blahahaha....yeh it sucks.....but look at the laptop link.
PWNED....


no dont reply with some excuse your pwned

Intel Core2 Quad Q6700 (2,66GHz, 1066Mhz FSB, 2x4Mb cache)
4GB DDR2 800MHz geheugen (2x 2GB dual channel) 
3x 200Gb 7200RPM Serial-ATA 
Blu-ray ROM / DVD-CD +/- brander incl. PowerDVD Ultra 
300mb/ps WLAN
2x nVidia GeForce 8800m GTX 512MB GDDRIII


that's what i call a laptop! and dont argue about the price cause it's good!

other than the blu-ray drive (which I wouldn't use) my PC is better in all aspects...
besides that laptop probably weighs the same as my desktop, and if the heat levels are the same then it's a crotch fire waiting to happen... 

[DubbleDutch]

wow thanks tec that is what i'm talking about

looks like that is a good mobo for me
still has IDE connector on it so i can use my old HD and disc drive untill i get a better one
(will probably get a better one because i think i'll have enough money)

about the processor, how do i place that :S i've got no clue because i just start learning stuff from the pc
do i just place it on the mobo where the picture say i should ?
the processor looks pretty good too 3.0Ghz and it's AMD (which i hear from alot of people that AMD is good)

don't u think that 4gig DDR2 is a little bit to much? a friend told me i should have enough with 2gig ddr2

the video card was exactly what i wanted


i still need a power supply though. which i think i need a new one because the vid card and the mobo will drain alot of power (don't want to have alot of BSOD's while i'm playing game's on high quality :P because of my mobo/vid card don't get what they need
how many wattage should i need?





here is my computer as what it is now (i took the text out of everest home)
i did remove some stuff which you don't need to see :P

Field   Value
Computer   
Operating System   Microsoft Windows XP Professional
OS Service Pack   Service Pack 2
DirectX   4.09.00.0904 (DirectX 9.0c)
   
Motherboard   
CPU Type   Intel Pentium 4, 2800 MHz (21 x 133)
Motherboard Name   Asus P4S533-VL
Motherboard Chipset   SiS 651
System Memory   1024 MB  (DDR SDRAM)
BIOS Type   Award Medallion (12/05/02)
Communication Port   Printerpoort (LPT1)
   
Display   
Video Adapter   NVIDIA GeForce4 Ti 4600  (128 MB)
3D Accelerator   nVIDIA GeForce4 Ti 4600
Monitor   Sony SDM-S51R  [15" LCD]  (9334027) (i know it's small xD)
   
Multimedia   
Audio Adapter   SiS 7012 Audio Device
   
Storage   
IDE Controller   SiS PCI IDE-controller
SCSI/RAID Controller   SCSI/RAID Host Controller
SCSI/RAID Controller   SCSI/RAID Host Controller
Floppy Drive   Diskettestation
Disk Drive   IC35L120AVV207-0  (120 GB, 7200 RPM, Ultra-ATA/100)
Disk Drive   Generic STORAGE DEVICE USB Device  (478 MB, USB)
Optical Drive   ASUS CD-S400/A  (40x CD-ROM)
Optical Drive   SONY DVD RW DW-U12A  (DVD+RW:4x/4x, DVD-RW:4x/2x, DVD-ROM:12x, CD:24x/16x/32x DVD+RW/DVD-RW)
SMART Hard Disks Status   OK
   
Partitions   
C: (NTFS)   117789 MB (11984 MB free)
   
Input   
Keyboard   HID-toetsenbordapparaat
Keyboard   HID-toetsenbordapparaat
Keyboard   PS/2 Keyboard
Mouse   HID-compliant muis
Mouse   PS/2 Compatible Mouse
   
Network   
Network Adapter   Linksys Wireless-G USB Network Adapter
Network Adapter   Realtek RTL8139/810x Family Fast Ethernet NIC
Modem   Lucent Technologies Soft Modem AMR




tec thanks for the help, you made a really good post and helped the topic stay ontopic xD

[Tec_]

no problem bro.

seating the processor is very easy its keyed just like any other connection in your computer so unless you force it, it will only go in one way. you just have to lift the little arm on the ZIF (zero insertion force) socket drop the processor in and close the arm locking it in place. then all you have to do is connect the heat sync and fan.

you can go with 2 gigs of ram if you want but 4 gigs will make your rig fly. you can run a game, down load something, have a chat window up, and play music with out breaking a sweat.

as for a power supply its gonna depend on if your gonna continue to build more computes and you want to use the same PSU in all of them or if you want to put it in this computer and keep it there. if your gonna move it form rig to rig i would go with a 1000W one and you will never need another. if you just going to keep it in this computer a 650W would work fine. but there is another thing to consider. will your case have a window? if it dose and you want it to look spotless and you don't want a lot of wires hanging around a modular PSU will be worth your money. it allows you to add and subtract power cables as needed.

hope this helps for now let me know if ya need any thing else.

[DubbleDutch]

well i do want to get a window in it

how much would a modular 1000W then be? and who makes the best PSU?

or will i be able to just put the wires from a normal psu together in some bigger wire thing (which u put around the wires itself) (i'll draw something so you will understand better)

[dedafmonteur]

other than the blu-ray drive (which I wouldn't use) my PC is better in all aspects...
besides that laptop probably weighs the same as my desktop, and if the heat levels are the same then it's a crotch fire waiting to happen... 

read on the site dude...its pretty leight...
and i know your pc is better than the laptop (it allways is according to you)


DD, try mycom or maybe conrad

[Tec_]

most wires come sleeved now. but a modular PSU allows you to take out the wires your not using.

mine is not a modular supply its a 650W antec that i made a custom clear cover for


Thermaltake makes a nice power supply as dose Silver Stone but a 1000W is gong to cost a lot.

[DubbleDutch]

ok so this is what i got so far


Mother Board
Processor
Ram
Graphics Card
Power Supply
Case (only want the neon to be green, don't know if that is possible though

and if i still have enough money i'll need a new HD and Disc Drive(still not 100% sure if i can keep both both are IDE)

[Tec_]

your link to the PSU isn't working.

but as for the disk drive and the HD you can run two IDE devices off of one port

as for the case if they don't sell it in the color you want theres all ways the option of painting it your self.

[psp339]

Why not buy Intel?
Motherboard: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128059
CPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115017

[DubbleDutch]

fixed the link

and psp339 tell me why that mobo and cpu is better then?
and maybe why not :P


i'm still nog 100% sure of the case, might be a little bit of overkill :P

[psp339]

That Gigabyte motherboard is a budget P35 chipset motherboard that is good for overclocking. The Q6600 CPU would be a lot faster than the Athlon 64 X2 after you overclock it a little. The CPU heatsink you should get is this one: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835109140

[Reaper]

The Intel Core 2 ******'s are posting higher performance and less energy use than the AMD counterparts

That Gigabyte motherboard is a budget P35 chipset motherboard that is good for overclocking. The Q6600 CPU would be a lot faster than the Athlon 64 X2 after you overclock it a little. The CPU heatsink you should get is this one: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835109140

Also, the Q6600 is SUPER easy to over clock (got mine from 2.4 to 3.6)

[Tec_]

i think processors are a matter of personal opinion. every one has their favorites iv never worked with a Intel so i cant comment on them.

but my opinion on over clocking is in most cases i would rather spend the extra $20 for the extra gig than stress the processor by over clocking it. granted it can be cheaper but i don't care to do it.

[DubbleDutch]

well i don't think i'll be overclocking it :P

unless i learn it at school (going to highschool next year, learning about computers e.d it's called ICT here don't know how it is called in english)

[MattZani]

ICT is all about using programs like microsoft office, and dreamweaver, not PC Hardware ¬.¬

[DubbleDutch]

ICT is all about using programs like microsoft office, and dreamweaver, not PC Hardware ¬.¬

wrong
i'll be learning how to start a hardware shop too etc. and i'll be learning how everything works

[Reaper]

Overclocking now a days is incredibly easy, just a few clicks on a keyboard...

[Tec_]

Overclocking now a days is incredibly easy, just a few clicks on a keyboard...

but why over stress your processor and risk a burn out when for $20 to $40 more you can get the same affect. but thats just me. there are plenty of people who do OC and with some rather incredible results.

[Reaper]

but why over stress your processor and risk a burn out when for $20 to $40 more you can get the same affect. but thats just me. there are plenty of people who do OC and with some rather incredible results.

It's not 20-30 bucks to do what I did

My processor is running @ 3.6 Ghz
Stock it runs @ 2.4 and costs 214 bucks
To get it halfway to where mine sits now it costs 1029 bucks

[Tec_]

your running 600 megahertz faster than me and i only payed $143.00

like i said i just don't care to put the extra stress on my chip and risk burning it out

[Reaper]

your running 600 megahertz faster than me and i only payed $143.00

like i said i just don't care to put the extra stress on my chip and risk burning it out

running 600 MHZ faster yet when you look at this chart look at the difference in power of my chip stock

[Tec_]

but why over stress your processor and risk a burn out when for $20 to $40 more you can get the same affect. but thats just me. there are plenty of people who do OC and with some rather incredible results.

dude i don't want to argue with you. i never insulted you or said any thing bad about over clocking. i just said i would rather spend the money than stress the chip

[Reaper]

dude i don't want to argue with you. i never insulted you or said any thing bad about over clocking. i just said i would rather spend the money than stress the chip

im not trying to argue, just trying to get the point that for the money the chip does perform a lot better an almost every benchmark.  Lately AMD hasn't been keeping up with Intel on their dual and quadcores

[Tec_]

well stick to helping out dutch then. he said he wasn't going to OC his

[Reaper]

well stick to helping out dutch then. he said he wasn't going to OC his

I am, that chart shows stock speeds

besides all this talk of whats better is really kind of pointless, most of the hardware out there performs well regardless of name brands.  If you really want help then look for the brands to NOT get, because the high end gear works about the same as the middle range unless you plan on pushing more power out of it. (overclock)

[Tec_]

I am, that chart shows stock speeds

besides all this talk of whats better is really kind of pointless, most of the hardware out there performs well regardless of name brands.  If you really want help then look for the brands to NOT get, because the high end gear works about the same as the middle range unless you plan on pushing more power out of it. (overclock)

than by all means share your wisdom. as ive stated before

(all of the above parts are in no way "the best" or "most incredible" but they have proven to me to be powerful and stable system. and have influenced my opinion as to parts selected)

i am in no way qualified to comment on parts and equipment i have not worked with. i will however give my opinion on the gear i have used and what i have chose to do with it.

[pinoyballa]

uhh, if you're deciding on a processor personally get a cheap but good processor now, and wait for the nehalem, they're supposed to have a big performance jump from the current 45nm processors. But if you don't want to wait a Q6600 is good especially for overclocking. Also a core two quad Q9300 is a good processor as well, it also overclocks quite nicely from what  I have heard.

[DubbleDutch]

ok so me and a friend collected some stuff from a local store

Case    € 63,43
Cooler Master CM 690,Zwart
http://azerty.nl/producten/product_detail/?ID=42465&GROEP_ID=51

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PSU € 149,23
Zalman 850W
http://azerty.nl/producten/product_detail/52/65996/zalman-zm850-hp-850watt-retail.html

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Mobo € 150,92
Asus P5E
http://azerty.nl/8-89-56959/p5e.html

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Processor € 146,37
Intel Core 2 Duo
http://azerty.nl/producten/product_detail/291/34427/intel-core-2-duo-boxed-e6850-socket-775.html

Processor    € 166,03
Intel Core 2 Duo
http://azerty.nl/producten/product_detail/?ID=73103&GROEP_ID=291&p_tab=8&TAB=ervaring

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vid kaart    € 201,19
Asus EN8800GTS
http://azerty.nl/8-160-62074/en8800gts-htdp-g92-.html

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ddr 2  € 139,34
G.E.I.L Black Dragon,4096MB (4x1gig)
http://azerty.nl/8-174-34566/gb24gb8500c5qc-black-dragon.html


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as you can see some stuff is twice! that's because we made a pc several times so we had different good parts we could choose from.

so from the stuff that is twice,.. i'll only need 1