When would you have stopped Hitler? (Knowledge Required.)

[ccccpie]

DO NOT BOTHER POSTING IF YOU ARE GOING TO FLAME AND/OR BE IMMATURE.

Neville Chamberlain followed a policy of appeasement, and believed if Hitler was given what he demanded, he would eventually be satisfied.

Clearly, this was not the case.

Hitler had observed over a couple of decades that Britain and France were not at all ready for war for a number of reasons, and was ready to exploit that.

Hitler took a number of gambles, and was successful with all but one.
If you had been the British Prime Minister at the time, when would you have stopped Hitler?

1935 - Hitler held a massive rearmament rally in Germany.

1936 - Hitler reintroduced conscription in Germany.

1936 - Hitler takes a huge gamble, sending poorly equipped troops into the Rhineland. The troops had been told that if the French responded, the troops were to withdraw immediately, for they were no match for the French army. The French, however, did not react.

1938 - Anschluss; Hitler takes over Austria, aiming to unite Austrians and Germans.

1938 - Hitler threatens Czechoslovakia with war, in order to take over the Czechoslovakian Sudetenland. Hitler claimed this was due to the German people living there being mistreated, although it was known on a wide scale that without the Sudetenland, Czechoslovakia was powerless. The Munich conference took place, and Hitler was given the Sudetenland.

1939 - Hitler invades Poland.

[Tec_]

do you really want to open this kettle of fish?

i think we can all agree that hitler was a bad guy but this topic is going to lead to arguments

[ccccpie]

do you really want to open this kettle of fish?

i think we can all agree that hitler was a bad guy but this topic is going to lead to arguments

I'm not looking for arguments, I'm looking for opinions, If people are that immature to go start flaming out of nowhere they do not belong in this thread. I will edit my first post.

[Nemesis]

at the treaty of Versailles....Germany were indeed treated very harshly and suffered a great deal causing Hitlers rise to power, or if not at the point in which Hitler was confident about his plans, the re-occupation of the Rhineland.
then again everyone could blame Hitler, but WWII would have never happened if the allies had taken action against him or not treat Germany so harshly at the treaty of Versailles, there is no 1 country or person to blame

[Tec_]

well then let me give you my opinion.

i think its easy to make judgments about this 70 years after the fact. and nothing we say or do is going to change what happened and how horrible it was

[robin1989]

I aflgree with tec but I would say if I was the pm at the time I would of chosen 1936 when he sent the troops in

[ccccpie]

The rearmament was in direct violation of the Treaty of Versailles. This in itself would have been reason enough to put a relatively quiet end to the matter.

[Tec_]

like i said its easy to make that judgment now. but did they know every thing we know now at the time

[phenomenal]

at the treaty of Versailles....Germany were indeed treated very harshly and suffered a great deal causing Hitlers rise to power, or if not at the point in which Hitler was confident about his plans, the re-occupation of the Rhineland.
then again everyone could blame Hitler, but WWII would have never happened if the allies had taken action against him or not treat Germany so harshly at the treaty of Versailles, there is no 1 country or person to blame

i just started learning that at school from my douche history teacher, she shouts at me for no reason

[dedafmonteur]

he should never been born the first place....

[gamermanpsp]

If I could go back in time, I would kill Hitler back when he was in World War 1. That would have stopped him from even trying to get into power during the 1920's.

[dedafmonteur]

If I could go back in time, I would kill Hitler back when he was in World War 1. That would have stopped him from even trying to get into power during the 1920's.

i agree 100%

[ccccpie]

Really, Hitler was a very charismatic, and inspiring person, who could call people to action at will.

Had he not had such a twisted view of reality, he probaby could have done unimagionably good things.

He was great at creating a vision people could believe in, which made him nearly, unstoppable.

He was VERY good at influencing peoples veiws.

[robin1989]

Really, Hitler was a very charismatic, and inspiring person, who could call people to action at will.

Had he not had such a twisted view of reality, he probaby could have done unimagionably good things.

He was great at creating a vision people could believe in, which made him nearly, unstoppable.

He was VERY good at influencing peoples veiws.

i agree but i have to add to that that it is what he chose to do with his skills that made him the most evil man in history if only he had put his skills towards humanitarian efforts we would be living in a far better world today

[ccccpie]

i agree but i have to add to that that it is what he chose to do with his skills that made him the most evil man in history if only he had put his skills towards humanitarian efforts we would be living in a far better world today

Yes, But some people think he had mental illness, I, for one, believe he didn't.

He had his personal reason (not saying it was right) to kill the jews. We know he took various medicine etc but they were for Physical and bodily problems.

[cwn723]

Well, if  hitler would have been telling the truth, i think the German peoples would have stopped him.

A little History on Hitlers rise to Power:

-After World War I, The people of Germany were handed much of the blame for the First world War. The People were looking for someone with great power to Become ruler and Lead the Country out of Its Debt that it had obtained During the War.When Hitler lost the election to Paul von Hindenburg. He then became the counselor and slowly grew, with the whole National Socialist party to the supreme ruler of Germany. He passed a Few Acts, which grew his trust among the people, and The peoples did not Know about what he was going to do.(I think this is right, if i remeber from last year).


So, in My opinion, nobody ever had a good chance to Kill hitler, Because they did not know of what he was going to do  until it was too late, and Hitler Had grown his power and had grown a substansial army. Although there probably was a chance to go to war against earlier, but i dont think there was ever a good chance to kill hitler himself.

[noah03ark]

Really, Hitler was a very charismatic, and inspiring person, who could call people to action at will.

Had he not had such a twisted view of reality, he probaby could have done unimagionably good things.

He was great at creating a vision people could believe in, which made him nearly, unstoppable.

He was VERY good at influencing peoples veiws.

that is so true


its just that his ideals, in our eyes, are incredibly skewed and generally negative (though thats not how he saw it)
yes he thought it was okay to do the 'final solution' (obviously we don't, years of accepting other cultures and learning to respect has taught us that)
and i agree with musik, i dont think he was mentally ill
he was damn good at speeches, and incredably charismatic, just his values were...incredibly strange

as for when to stop him...all i can really say was as soon as possible
of course that didnt happen

how did he die anyway? i heard he killed himself..but i heard his body was never found? verification on this?

[ccccpie]

that is so true


its just that his ideals, in our eyes, are incredibly skewed and generally negative (though thats not how he saw it)
yes he thought it was okay to do the 'final solution' (obviously we don't, years of accepting other cultures and learning to respect has taught us that)
and i agree with musik, i dont think he was mentally ill
he was damn good at speeches, and incredably charismatic, just his values were...incredibly strange

as for when to stop him...all i can really say was as soon as possible
of course that didnt happen

how did he die anyway? i heard he killed himself..but i heard his body was never found? verification on this?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Stars_%26_Stripes_%26_Hitler_Dead2.jpg


"On 2 May, Berlin surrendered. At the Chancellory the Russians found Hitler's body and an autopsy was performed. Dental records apparently confirmed the identification. Hitler and Braun's remains were buried by SMERSH at their headquarters in Magdeburg. [75] In 1970, when the facility was to be turned over to the East German government, the remains were reportedly exhumed and cremated.[75] According to the Russian Federal Security Service, a fragment of human skull stored in its archives and displayed to the public in a 2000 exhibition came from the remains of Hitler's body and is all that remains of Hitler. The authenticity of the skull has been challenged by many historians and researchers.[75]"

"During the final days of the war in 1945, as Berlin was being invaded and destroyed by the Red Army, Hitler married Eva Braun. Less than 24 hours later, the two committed suicide in the Führerbunker."

[Ch4rL13]

(i think its odd how those ebay adds always have something to do with the post, WW1 pins << its WWi ut still)
i wouldnt say hitler was ill, he was just confused from his childhood.
except wut about the aryan race? i mean tha was blond and blue eyes right? well hitler was not blond and had blue eyes...

[ccccpie]

Really, Hitler was a very charismatic, and inspiring person, who could call people to action at will.

Had he not had such a twisted view of reality, he probaby could have done unimagionably good things.

He was great at creating a vision people could believe in, which made him nearly, unstoppable.

He was VERY good at influencing peoples veiws.

I don't agree that it was his childhood... Don't know much about it though, I will go research.

[Timmy]

I believe it was actually during WWI he saw the injustices commited agianst his own people and vowed revenge.....ive hard this on many history documentry's

also it has been essentially proben he had Asperger Syndrome, which explains his social behaviours and racial stereotyping, also there are many accounts of his behaviour in his final months which point toward schizophrenia

there is video evidence however that he had parkinsons disease (not mental) and it is speculative that he may have had syphilis.

His racial political ideals were based on the teachings of darwin (specifically survival of the fittest applied to humans) and a whackjob frenchman (note: not stating all french people are) who started the racial "cleansing" ideal

also putting accross any idea he wanted and knowing people would respond positively is a terribly dangerous thing no matter what view of reality he attained, unless he wasn't human and perfectly immune to the obtainment of power and perfectly inobjective in every scenario he came accross, then he would have still caused bad things to happen using this ability.

also he wasn't born evil people, saying another human being has no right to life is basically saying no human deserves a right to life as its a right we all share... we can apply tec_'s "its easy to say that now" statement to this, a lot of medical personel in germany during the time were jewish, now if they had known he would cause the deaths of millions of there people, would'nt they have done something about it? Its easy to say "oh man if i saw hitler as a baby  i would have stabbed him" but you wouldn't have known of the holocaust and would be comitting cold hearted murder of an innocent life.

[T3KN1K4L]

I know this wasn't an option but I wouldn't kill Hitler, I would merely facilitate his meteoric rise in the art community after WW1, most of his twisted views of reality were formed after he was turned away from art, this was also the time the images of the Third Reich, such as the twisted cross, and the eagle.  If able to go back in time I would twist the artistic community into accepting Hitler as a great artist, (Hopefully) eliminating his rise to power as the leader of the socialist party.  Of course there's no saying exactly what other things it would change in history, and chances are a despot just as, if not more cruel would rise to power in Hitler's place.

[Timmy]

thats an interesting view T3K , very very unique

 but it still boils down to...its easy to say that now etc

we could jsut say, some art investor could have bought his artwork and stopped WWII from happening the way it did..

but no one knew that, i know you were saying "if i could go back in time" but yeah...yuo get my drift.

[T3KN1K4L]

Like I stated, most likely a different despot would have taken his place in history, and most likely preformed most of the same actions.  Although this is pure speculation since there is currently no means of building a "time machine", or at least not one that would preform the way we are implying.  The best we could do is create a machine that would allow us to revisit the time in which we stop the internal clock of one side of the worm-hole, but that's a matter of another discussion entirely.

[Gamer4life]

did anbody know that the swatika was actually meant 2 mean peace and love and then hitler turned it into something bad
and whos 2 say that even if some1 stopped him some1 else would try and do what he would have done and anybody think that maybe that was supposed 2 happen like maybe all things past present and future arent set in stone and were just following it and theres nothing u can do 2 change it im not saying i like what happened or it should have happened because i despise what happened because i myself have a little bit of jew in me and plus hitler was a jew so he killed his own kind if you read the story night it tells the ordeal of 1 man going through all that crap in germany and the sickest thing in there was that the solders would take babies and throw them up in the air and shoot them 4 target practice

[DubbleDutch]

i'm pretty sure if you all lived in germany in 1930. you would all have believed what hitler said etc.

the grandfather and mother of my grandmother were germans (i live like 20km's from the border).
they didn't know what he was planning to do, all he did was promise people jobs and money, Because that is what germany needed, they lost alot of money during WW1 and got blaimed for everything.
Which was wrong,.. almost all of europe should've got the blaim!!!!

Hitler was a solder during WW1 he got injured. he was the one that promised to get germany the respect back which it should've had.
almost everyone in germany believed what he said and that's how he got his power

[teepee]

even if there was no hitler (died from wounds in ww1 or something else) japan and russia still might have done it on there own and they had commited similar acts with the exceptions of the jews but there was still plenty of jenecide.