Author Topic: Few more computer questions...[updated] (Read 13670 times)

PspKicks316 · « **on:** May 24, 2008, 01:31:45 PM »

EDIT: Final setup [may change eventually :P]
Antec 1200 case
C2Q Q6600 @2.4Ghz
eVGA 780i
HIPER 880w[probably more then needed]
GTX 260
8GB RAM [4GB dc(2x2gb) x2]
500GB hard drive x2
reclusa keyboard
lachesis mouse
wireless adapter
screens 1 and 2
Philips dvd/cd burner
X-Fi titanium Fatal1ty pro sound card
8400GS
3rd screen[touchscreen]
z5500 surround sound speakers
Infinite Panel
wireless panel
4 fan controller
1 tb hdd
UV sound reactive cold cathodes
blue led case feet
water cooling system

And that's pretty much it. My dream computer. I'm saving up money now for it, but it's gonna take a while.

Onii · « **Reply #1 on:** May 24, 2008, 05:24:31 PM »

Read this for more info about watercooling. http://www.xoxide.com/water-cooling.html

9800 GTX vs. SLI vs. 3-way SLI. vs. Quad SLI, It'll give you an idea of what to expect if you wanna go SLI. http://hardocp.com/article.html?art=MTQ5NiwsLGhlbnRodXNpYXN0

I'm stickin with one card for now, 2 is just too expensive for me.

PspKicks316 · « **Reply #2 on:** May 24, 2008, 06:10:05 PM »

Yeah I'm getting a 9800 but I was just wondering what's so good about it :P
Thanks man

PspKicks316 · « **Reply #3 on:** May 25, 2008, 06:21:17 AM »

Ok, I've decided to go with this mobo for when I build my desktop:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813188013

And, I'm going Liquid Cooling!!
I know there's blocks for 9800 cards, but I'm not sure what to get still.

What's the BEST 8800 card? Is this one good? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130337
What's the BEST 9800 card? Is this one good? http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3713146&Sku=B52-9800
What's the difference between GT/GS/GTS/GTX/etc.?

And, I don't know what case to get...
This: http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3424759&CatId=1510
or this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811133154
I'm leaning towards getting the Thermaltake one on NewEgg.

VoX · « **Reply #4 on:** May 25, 2008, 06:29:02 AM »

For the 8800's this is the list of the best types of models (worst to best) GS,GT,GTS,GTX

PspKicks316 · « **Reply #5 on:** May 25, 2008, 06:32:51 AM »

Thanks

Ok should I get:
THIS 9800
or
THIS liquid cooled 8800
or
THIS 8800 GTS KO Edition
or
THIS 8800 GTX ultra with THIS cooling block

I think I may go for the 8800 GTX ultra and that cooling block

VoX · « **Reply #6 on:** May 25, 2008, 06:42:43 AM »

I'm not sure about the 9800's but I think it is the same. Only get a 9800 if your getting two of them and running them in SLI because a top of the line 8800 can beat most of the 9800 models. Oh and the top 9800 card is the 9800 GX2, which are really expensive but are really good, Much better than an 8800 (30 to 50% better)

4dP · « **Reply #7 on:** May 25, 2008, 06:42:59 AM »

i always loved the thermaltake

PspKicks316 · « **Reply #8 on:** May 25, 2008, 07:13:37 AM »

:P
Yeah, I think I'm going 8800 GTX Ultra with the cooling block I picked out.

Thanks guys!!! I've got everything figured out but I'm still trying to find the "perfect" case for me. Haha

MattZani · « **Reply #9 on:** May 25, 2008, 07:45:30 AM »

9800 GTX, More powerful than an 8800 GTX, Runs DX10 far better.

But if you can, get a 9800 GX2, as thats 2 GTX's on one Card

PspKicks316 · « **Reply #10 on:** May 25, 2008, 08:26:27 AM »

But then what's a good Liquid Cooling block for a GX2? I wanted that, but I don't see any blocks anywhere.

psp339 · « **Reply #11 on:** May 25, 2008, 10:35:05 AM »

The only waterblock for the 9800 GX2 is the Innovatek right now. You should get the Thermaltake case because they are better quality than the Aspire ones.

pinoyballa · « **Reply #12 on:** May 25, 2008, 01:57:55 PM »

Don't get a 9800 GX2 if you have an SLI motherboard or 780i motherboard, SLI the 9800's and they will give you equal or better performance than one 9800GX2.

PspKicks316 · « **Reply #13 on:** May 25, 2008, 03:46:08 PM »

Bah, I've decided to just knock off and get the 8800 GTX ultra and the waterblock. After all, everything's costing me $3500 now...wouldn't want to bump that up any higher :P

psp339 · « **Reply #14 on:** May 25, 2008, 04:07:12 PM »

Do you mean you are getting a 8800GTX or a 8800Ultra?

Onii · « **Reply #15 on:** May 25, 2008, 04:45:05 PM »

9800 GTX? Thats one of the best cards you can get today, it'll play most games maxed out on high rez moniters. But if you already have a 8800 GTX then you shouldn't get it, since it's not much of an upgrade (15% higher fps in a few games, thats about it).

Onii · « **Reply #16 on:** May 25, 2008, 04:52:40 PM »

Post up some pics when everything is said and done, I wanna see how it all turns out. Good luck

Reaper · « **Reply #17 on:** May 25, 2008, 06:29:38 PM »

Quote from: pspkicks316 on May 25, 2008, 07:13:37 AM

:P
Yeah, I think I'm going 8800 GTX Ultra with the cooling block I picked out.

Thanks guys!!! I've got everything figured out but I'm still trying to find the "perfect" case for me. Haha

Thats what I have right now

tmandt · « **Reply #18 on:** May 25, 2008, 07:30:37 PM »

you rich basterd! lol

VoX · « **Reply #19 on:** May 26, 2008, 04:33:15 AM »

I don't like the Thermaltake case's, never have. Here's some of my favorites:

http://www.xoxide.com/zalman-fatal1ty-fc-ze1.html

http://www.xoxide.com/nzxt-nemesis-elite-case-black.html

http://www.xoxide.com/raidmax-saggita-2-case.html

PspKicks316 · « **Reply #20 on:** May 26, 2008, 05:32:02 AM »

Ultra,sorry. I googled and it said GTX Ultra ast first. here:LINK
And don't worry, I will post pics when I'm done. I probably won't have this done till around Christmas or so, I'ts costing me around $3500 and I need to earn all the money myself. Haha I think I'm going to buy parts as I can afford them, but then I can't change my mind...I don't know yet.

When I get a chance later I'll post a complete list of parts here in this topic,first post.
edit: updated first post

Onii · « **Reply #21 on:** May 26, 2008, 10:40:46 AM »

Now this is just my 2 cents, but I wouldn't buy it in parts. Think about it this way, it'll take you like 7 months before you have enough cash for the computer, there might be better parts out (around the same price) by the time you have the cash. Or maybe pricecuts will hit and you'll get a great deal on the vid card or mobo or somethin. It's your call since there may be a deal somewhere along the road thats too good to pass up or somethin, but saving up the cash and payin one lump sum is what I would do.

PspKicks316 · « **Reply #22 on:** May 26, 2008, 10:48:08 AM »

Yeah, everyone else said that too, so I think I will end up doing that. You've made a good point, I never thought about price cuts or anything :P

psp339 · « **Reply #23 on:** May 26, 2008, 12:44:10 PM »

The Q9300 45nm quad core processor won't work on a 680i chipset. Only wolfdale 45nm dual core processors work on the 680i. I wouldn't get those liquid cooling parts because Thermaltake liquid cooling isn't that good. You should get high quality Swiftech and D-Tek parts. That 1 120mm fan radiator isnt enough for a 8800ultra and a quad core.
Get these instead:
CPU Waterblock: http://www.petrastechshop.com/dfuv2uncpuwa.html
Radiator: http://www.petrastechshop.com/swmcqposerab.html
8800 Ultra waterblock:
Pump: [url=http://www.petrastechshop.com/swmcin12pu.html]http://www.petrastechshop.com/swmcin12pu.html
Tubing: http://www.petrastechshop.com/7id5odmagepu.html About 15-20 ft
Reservoir: http://www.petrastechshop.com/swmchire.html
Coolant: http://www.petrastechshop.com/swhyexduco.html
Radbox: http://www.petrastechshop.com/swmcrre2raho.html
Fans: http://www.petrastechshop.com/12yalod1cafa1.html

PspKicks316 · « **Reply #24 on:** May 26, 2008, 02:48:41 PM »

Wow, much cheaper. And all of that will be better then mine? I still want to get the other Reservoir i picked out, I can use that with the stuff you linked to right?Thanks man.

And, why won't it work with that motherboard? I've heard of people using the C2Q with it...
I quote, FROM the motherboard description on NewEgg,

Quote

CPU Type Quad-core / Core 2 Extreme / Core 2 Duo / Pentium

And that's INTEL quad core, which is the Core2Quad which is what I'm getting.

So why won't it work?

psp339 · « **Reply #25 on:** May 26, 2008, 03:02:18 PM »

The Q9300 is a new 45nm quad core. On newegg it says that it support quad cores but only 65nm quad cores like the Q6600 and Q6700. I don't think that thermaltake reservoir will work because thermaltake uses 3/8 tubing and the things i selected for you use 1/2 or 7/16 tubing. Bigger tubing means better water flow which equals lower temps.

PspKicks316 · « **Reply #26 on:** May 26, 2008, 03:28:45 PM »

No, it doesn't matter the tubing width. Read the link in the 2nd post. And I CAN use that resevior, I can get adapters for the different tubing thicknesses.
And,Goddamnit, back to the drawing board for a different motherboard...

EDIT: How about the 780i?LINK

Does it support the Q9300? NOWHERE do I see that it supports/doesn't support 45nm/65nm Qcores.On any motherboard..

Checked EVGA's site for the 780i...:

Quote

# 45nm CPU ready (Yorkfield & Wolfdale)

Does that mean the Intel Q9300 won't work?

psp339 · « **Reply #27 on:** May 26, 2008, 03:31:12 PM »

Get the 750i or 780i. They support the 45nm quad cores. You could get tubing adapters but that affects your water flow rate.

PspKicks316 · « **Reply #28 on:** May 26, 2008, 03:42:23 PM »

I'll get the 780i. Thanks man. And, I guess I'll get the reseviour you picked out, cheaper and keeps it simple. Thanks again

Onii · « **Reply #29 on:** May 26, 2008, 03:54:30 PM »

Quote from: pspkicks316 on May 26, 2008, 03:28:45 PM

No, it doesn't matter the tubing width. Read the link in the 2nd post. And I CAN use that resevior, I can get adapters for the different tubing thicknesses.

Larger the tubing, more water can flow at a time. If you put an adapter on it then you kinda screwed up the whole reason you would want large tubing. Also, just because more water is flowing faster doesn't mean better cooling, you need a radiator that can dissipate that heat as fast or faster then the water flows. It's really about what ones you like more. If you get a big radiator that can use 6 fans then you should be fine for a giant setup (you dont have that large a setup) lol, but a small one that only uses one would be good for no more then a processor. Danger Den is another good watercooling company you should look into if you havn't made up your mind about what you want.

PspKicks316 · « **Reply #30 on:** May 26, 2008, 03:57:38 PM »

Hmm. Ok,thanks. I'm not buying for a while, so I have time to make up my mind

Onii · « **Reply #31 on:** May 28, 2008, 01:33:43 PM »

Just found somethin you might wanna look at. Pre-OC'd and watercooled 9800 GTX. The only prob is that they havn't released it yet, but I know it will come out before you buy all your parts. Give it a look, http://www.bfgtech.com/bfge98512gtxh2ocwe.aspx. By they way, all BFGTech vid cards come with a lifetime warranty.

PspKicks316 · « **Reply #32 on:** May 28, 2008, 01:59:07 PM »

Yeah.but it's 512MB if I went for a 9800 I would want a GX2 with 1GB onboard mem. But thanks for pointing that out, depending on the price I'll consider it.Thanks again

pinoyballa · « **Reply #33 on:** May 28, 2008, 03:36:00 PM »

2 9800's in SLI outperform 9800gx2's in some benchmarking testes and with a third 9800 it outperforms the Quad SLI 9800GX2 benchmarking tests with many games. So basically if you're planning to do some hardcore gaming, pick up a 780i motherboard and you could always add extra cards when you get the money. Also two 9800's is roughly the same price as a GX2.

PspKicks316 · « **Reply #34 on:** May 28, 2008, 05:26:48 PM »

Hmm...Thanks Pinoy. Man,this is gonna be a hard decision haha,I think maybe 9800GTX then,maybe 2-3 later on xD

Onii · « **Reply #35 on:** May 28, 2008, 09:32:20 PM »

What size monitor are you runnin? I mean I'm getting ready to upgrade to a 22in and my 8800 GTS should handle it with ease. Just remember that the 9800 GTX and the 9800 GX2 have the same memory bus (256-bit). Memory isn't the issue with either card, they should just move up to 512-bit bus and get it overwith, as thats one of the biggest bottlenecks out there. I think SLI would run MUCH smoother at higher resolutions if they did that small tweak with upcoming cards.. I mean look at the GTX and Ultra, both of em have 384-bit memory buses, WHY would they take a step back to 256? I personally think that is the reason the GTX was the beast that it was, and as soon as they make the leap to 512 I think we will have another amazing card on our hands.

PspKicks316 · « **Reply #36 on:** May 29, 2008, 12:49:33 PM »

I'm going to be running 2 monitors, the one that I have in the first post. Obviously if I had 2/3 way SLI with more then 1 card I can only use 1 monitor with it, right? Or can I use both?

psp339 · « **Reply #37 on:** May 29, 2008, 09:36:25 PM »

There are ways to run more than one monitor and still use SLI but I don't know how.

pinoyballa · « **Reply #38 on:** May 31, 2008, 10:31:24 PM »

I'm pretty sure you can only use one monitor when SLI mode is enabled. But if you want to use more than one just disable the SLI and enable it whenever you want to play a game.

psp339 · « **Reply #39 on:** June 14, 2008, 01:31:21 AM »

Quote from: pinoyballa on May 31, 2008, 10:31:24 PM

I'm pretty sure you can only use one monitor when SLI mode is enabled. But if you want to use more than one just disable the SLI and enable it whenever you want to play a game.

You just have to buy a cheap PCI-E card.
http://www.overclock.net/nvidia/318848-how-multi-monitor-sli-vista.html

PspKicks316 · « **Reply #40 on:** June 15, 2008, 08:54:44 AM »

Ok, now I need to figure out a way to do all of this and still get my Wireless adapter in there. So 2x GTXs, and a crap card. Doesn't that mean 1 monitor is using the SLI and the other is using the crap card? That's crap. Hahaha.

Is there a motherbaord that uses DDR2,775 socket, and room for 2 GTX's, 2 PCI cards [sound and wireless] and room for that other crap card too?

EDIT: Nice, I can fit both GTX's, my wireless card,and that other card[that's in the tut] on my motherboard. I'll have to stick with onboard sound, but it's still pretty good and I could always change it in the future.

Onii · « **Reply #41 on:** June 16, 2008, 11:32:55 AM »

Quote from: pspkicks316 on June 15, 2008, 08:54:44 AM

Ok, now I need to figure out a way to do all of this and still get my Wireless adapter in there. So 2x GTXs, and a crap card. Doesn't that mean 1 monitor is using the SLI and the other is using the crap card? That's crap. Hahaha.

Is there a motherbaord that uses DDR2,775 socket, and room for 2 GTX's, 2 PCI cards [sound and wireless] and room for that other crap card too?

EDIT: Nice, I can fit both GTX's, my wireless card,and that other card[that's in the tut] on my motherboard. I'll have to stick with onboard sound, but it's still pretty good and I could always change it in the future.

http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MTUxOCwxLCxoZW50aHVzaWFzdA==

Looks like its time to get a single card instead of your 9800 GTX's lol.

"GeForce GTX 280 and 260 vs. 9800 GTX SLI
This comparison is quite interesting. The GeForce GTX 260 costs less than GeForce 9800 GTX SLI, and the GTX 280 will cost more. Our gameplay testing though seems to indicate that in some games, like Call of Duty 4 and Assassin’s Creed, the GeForce GTX 260 is able to provide a better gameplay experience than GeForce 9800 GTX SLI. The improved memory specifications here seem to benefit these two games greatly at high resolutions with AA. In Age of Conan the GeForce GTX 260 matches the same gameplay experience as GeForce 9800 GTX SLI. Therefore it is providing the same experience, for less money. The only game where it failed in comparison to GeForce 9800 GTX SLI was Crysis."

GTX 280 (Higher performance) = $649, GTX 260 (Slightly higher in most) = $399, 9800GTX SLI = $540 (cheapest I could find on newegg).
To me it sounds like you decide how much performance you want over the 9800 GTX SLI and pay for one of the cards, then you get keep your dual monitor setup. If you decide you're gonna OC the cards then go with the 260, check out the graph on page 10 lol. Crazy gains by overclockin that card. Just thought I'd give you some more advice before you made the big purchase.

PspKicks316 · « **Reply #42 on:** June 16, 2008, 12:04:05 PM »

Woah that's amazing! Holy crap, I didn't know they were as good as that! Thanks for the enlightenment xD Although, I'm not going to be buying till at LEAST the end of summer.

Onii · « **Reply #43 on:** June 17, 2008, 12:55:55 PM »

If you're still into watercooling then look into this, http://www.bfgtech.com/GTX280h20c.aspx. I'd be willing to bet it will cost over 750 smackers, but if you want the fastest card out that's what you need. OC'd and Watercooled from the factory with a lifetime warranty, so I'd jump on it if I had the money. Or maybe I'd just get 2 standard 260GTX cards then do a nice OC and sli them lol.

PspKicks316 · « **Reply #44 on:** June 17, 2008, 02:44:10 PM »

I plan on OC'ing a GTX 260. Maybe in the future I'll get 2, but I don't plan on it.

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