Author Topic: Xbox 360 case mod solution for overheating/banning (Read 14343 times)

Max_Kreeger · « **on:** December 13, 2008, 08:41:01 AM »

Hey,

WARNING: attempting this mod could result in serious injury or death, it is just an idea. DON'T try it

I was just thinking about an extra power source to light up or power all your mods for the 360 and came up with this:

I will be using the figure 8 power lead like the one used for the PS1:

Now onto the 360. Since there's a little bit of space in the bottom right corner as shown in the picture. (The red rectangle indicates the area available and the yellow is where I will be able to drill). I was thinking of drilling some holes and fitting the adapter or connector or whatever its called into that hole.

Xbox 360:

The adapter:

Once that is installed I expect it to look something like this (please excuse my REALLY bad editing):

Now for a small circuit board to fit along the grey air vent panel, a few pads to be able to solder whatever you need:

So what do you guys think ? I know its just early days and planning. But I think it could work well. Please comment.

Thank you
Max

PspKicks316 · « **Reply #1 on:** December 13, 2008, 08:57:50 AM »

It would work.
But I think having the cable like that is too much power...

This wouldn't be deleted, why would you think that?

Max_Kreeger · « **Reply #2 on:** December 13, 2008, 09:00:53 AM »

What about like a 12volt one ? I dunno in the sticky above Fufa said he would delete any posts about external power sources for like fans.

PspKicks316 · « **Reply #3 on:** December 13, 2008, 09:23:48 AM »

This is a mod idea. It won't be deleted. Besides, *Fufa is never active anymore.

Still a good idea, and I think 12v would be better.

802Chives · « **Reply #4 on:** December 13, 2008, 10:27:46 AM »

You have to make the AC into DC electricity or else you wont be able to do any useful mods. The converter is the bulky part that converts 120V AC (220V in Europe as ur picture would suggest). The power brick on the 360 is just an example of an AC to DC converter. A common solution is to use a "wall wart" or a converter that plugs into the wall.

If you internalized a wall wart you could use that idea, but they are bulky and can produce a lot of heat, depending on what you hook up to it. Also, the wall wart will rate the amount of current that you will be able to source from your new supply.

buickgnx · « **Reply #5 on:** December 13, 2008, 10:59:36 AM »

could you use like a ds or phone thing b/c its thin and it should do it i think.

Max_Kreeger · « **Reply #6 on:** December 13, 2008, 04:42:22 PM »

hmmm, yeah I was thinking of like using a phone charge or the PSP one...but that would only limit the mods to LED's. Wouldn't be strong enough for anything else.

802Chives: What if I modded the PSP adaptor to allow a little bit more volts through ? ( I don't know how to do that anyway, maybe you guys would) But it would still be AC....What about a transformer ? Like a low voltage one like this:

http://australia.rs-online.com/web/search/searchBrowseAction.html?method=getProduct&R=4338898

But I think its AC

PspKicks316 · « **Reply #7 on:** December 13, 2008, 05:26:37 PM »

Quote from: Max_Kreeger on December 13, 2008, 04:42:22 PM

hmmm, yeah I was thinking of like using a phone charge or the PSP one...but that would only limit the mods to LED's. Wouldn't be strong enough for anything else

That's why you use a charger or power cord that is used for something that requires more power.
Like, a psp charger outputs 5v I think.
DS charger outputs 3.3v I think.

Use a charger or cord/transformer that outputs something like 12v.

Max_Kreeger · « **Reply #8 on:** December 13, 2008, 11:00:40 PM »

I just asked my friend and his laptop charger is 5a 15v input AC and 14v 5a DC output. Would that be OK ?

gameroms · « **Reply #9 on:** December 14, 2008, 01:01:54 AM »

these guys have some nice products.

http://shop.sickmods.net/

Max_Kreeger · « **Reply #10 on:** December 14, 2008, 04:28:20 AM »

WOW thank you. Maybe I'll be able to find something there to help me out.

SYSTEM aka (Cyberpyrot) · « **Reply #11 on:** December 14, 2008, 04:46:43 AM »

Quote from: Max_Kreeger on December 14, 2008, 04:28:20 AM

WOW thank you. Maybe I'll be able to find something there to help me out.

Please no one try this as this is a set up for serious injury.. AC (Alternating current) can be very dangerous.. It would be better for you to find a DC power plug at radio shack somthing rated no grater then 12v...

Max_Kreeger · « **Reply #12 on:** December 14, 2008, 04:58:26 AM »

Yeah thats what I intend on doing. 12v DC power supply that or a 5v one like the PSP charger. I was just putting the idea out there. Just for the sake of it, maybe it might help someone. Personally if I was going to do this I would get the 5volt PSP charger and just use it to power LED's

buickgnx · « **Reply #13 on:** December 14, 2008, 06:35:36 AM »

Quote from: SYSTEM on December 14, 2008, 04:46:43 AM

Please no one try this as this is a set up for serious injury.. AC (Alternating current) can be very dangerous.. It would be better for you to find a DC power plug at radio shack somthing rated no grater then 12v...

you should put a warning in every board just so theres no law suites.

Containm3nt · « **Reply #14 on:** December 14, 2008, 09:00:42 PM »

Well, if you only need a 5v source, I would think a mini USB female port could be used to hook up either a Motorola style phone charger, or a Male fullsize USB to Male mini USB cable from the back USB port on the 360 itself if it were just led mods... I don't know about the amperage supply from the onboard USB ports. Just food for thought.

Max_Kreeger · « **Reply #15 on:** December 14, 2008, 11:53:33 PM »

So what your saying is I could connect a cable from the 360's USB port to the new USB port to supply power ? Thats a very sexy idea lol. You champ.

Modded Matt · « **Reply #16 on:** December 15, 2008, 05:17:48 AM »

rat shack has this http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=3366426

not sure about a euopean style or not though.

it converts 110v Ac to selectable 6-12VDC power. this will provide an alternate 12 volt power supply MS cannot trace.

Max_Kreeger · « **Reply #17 on:** December 15, 2008, 05:23:49 AM »

Nice find. But I think the idea of using the USB port for a power source sounds pretty good. Thats if your just going to have LED mods. But for something more extravagant that would be ideal. Thanks again

Modded Matt · « **Reply #18 on:** December 15, 2008, 06:30:22 AM »

I am sorry, I thought this thread was about adding 12v fans, without MS detection, not LED's???? my bad.

one question, is the usb allways active? I have not used the usb consetions much. I know my camera comes on when on the dashboard, then off when I start a game, so I dont know???

Max_Kreeger · « **Reply #19 on:** December 16, 2008, 12:21:29 AM »

The mod's for everything....fans, leds whatever. I was just saying if I were to do it I would only do a led mod so I wouldn't need any adapters/converters, just a small voltage.

FooToo · « **Reply #20 on:** December 20, 2008, 01:44:11 PM »

any more info on this topic?

will this work?

Max_Kreeger · « **Reply #21 on:** December 20, 2008, 05:27:09 PM »

Theoretically it should, there's not much to it. Just having troubles figuring out he power supply. But Containm3nt proposed a good idea. If you look up he said that you could use the USB at the back for a power source.

FooToo · « **Reply #22 on:** December 20, 2008, 07:49:22 PM »

Quote from: 802Chives on December 16, 2008, 11:27:01 AM

I believe that it would still be dim when the Play N Charge cable is pluged in. The only practical way around the LED forward voltage is to find the ones with the lowest forward voltage. I know there are some blue ones out there that work as I have seen many controllers that use them.

Don't worry about being banned for a controller mod, I believe that PNC is USB powered so the worst that will happen is the machine will disable the USB powerbus if too much current is drawn(500mA). That being said if you are simply replacing LEDs there is nothing to worry about. If you are adding leds, you will need to add a ton of them to get over the 500mA threshold.

The 360 being banned by using 12V fans is almost an urban legend. One person, maybe 2, have reported this happening, but I suspect there was more to it than a 12V fan. IMHO the reason the people got banned is that they were messing around with firmware files that flagged M$ to look deeper into those particular cases. Since the files that they were messing with arent easily monitored by M$ the easiest way to punish them was to look a power consumption and Ban em that way. Long story short, the banning of 12V moddified xboxs is very real, but I dont think that it is something that M$ actively monitors in order to give out bans. I ran a box with an added 12V fan for months and never had any issues, also there are people with 3-5 additional 12V fans that have never had an issue. So the possibility does exist, just the probablity is very low that this would happen.

This is what 802Chives said from a different thread.
Do i still need to worry about this?
I mean i like the idea of the Led's with a switch and all? ( is there a tut. or anything on Led switches for the fans and lighting?)

Containm3nt · « **Reply #23 on:** December 20, 2008, 07:59:13 PM »

To my knowledge, most LEDs (I know most SMDs) run on 20mA a peice usually less in actuality, so theoretically if you had LESS than 25, you could run it from the USB port. The easiest way would be to just unplug the cable, however one of the guys could figure out a cable that would pass the power on through when the data lines are active when the box is on. And the source voltage from a USB port is only +5v by the way...

buickgnx · « **Reply #24 on:** December 20, 2008, 08:12:45 PM »

this would be perfect. http://www.buyextras.com/inusbachoouc.html?gclid=CLXA-vHr0JcCFRHxDAodeWEeDg or http://www.buyextras.com/spusbto1024a.html

Max_Kreeger · « **Reply #25 on:** December 20, 2008, 10:15:48 PM »

SWEET!, Excellent find man. That is perfect. THANK YOU

and to FooToo

You don't need to worry about being banned this is what this mod is about. You can solder all your LED's or whatever to that little circuit board I drew up. (I'm sure someone else can make a MUCH better one) but you get the idea. Its completely separate to the xbox so you can't get banned.

...and no tutorial yet lol. I'm not very experienced in taking my xbox apart and I don't like drilling holes in things lol. No one has tried it yet. Thats why I posted it here.

Max

FooToo · « **Reply #26 on:** December 21, 2008, 03:49:19 AM »

ok thank you.

i have one of those wall chargers for the ipod that i can use.

now if only i had a tut. with some led's ^_^

buickgnx · « **Reply #27 on:** December 21, 2008, 05:54:23 AM »

ipod wont work i tried it's a different plug. you could ask mike or someone to try this and make the board.

Alien_X · « **Reply #28 on:** December 21, 2008, 06:03:17 AM »

I have partly read through this thread, but I feel I must comment.

Max, I wouldn't recommend you try any mods of this nature until you have a better understand of current, voltage and the consequences.

30 milliamps AC could kill you.
200 milliamps DC could kill you.

You will be working with higher amperages..

Max_Kreeger · « **Reply #29 on:** December 21, 2008, 06:41:25 AM »

I know lol. Thats why I posted it here. So the experts can have a read and either fix it up or declare it a fail lol. I just wanted to get the idea out see what people think, you know...

Quote

ok thank you.

i have one of those wall chargers for the ipod that i can use.

now if only i had a tut. with some led's ^_^

Please don't try it lol. If anyone should attempt it, it should be SYSTEM.

FooToo · « **Reply #30 on:** December 21, 2008, 08:59:08 AM »

Yes Sir!
lmao didnt think it would kill me but now i know haha

but is there still a way to turn your led's on and off if you install them the regular way (through fan and hard drive?)

Max_Kreeger · « **Reply #31 on:** December 21, 2008, 08:31:52 PM »

Yeah, there's still a way to turn off the LED's you can just add a switch to the circuit. Preferably a push button one because they are small so nothing will be sticking out of the case. You can have a look here for some.

http://australia.rs-online.com/web/search/searchBrowseAction.html?method=retrieveTfg&binCount=1189&Ne=4294960157&Ntt=switch&Ntk=I18NAll&Nr=AND(avl%3aau%2csearchDiscon_au%3aN)&Ntx=mode%2bmatchallpartial&N=4294863122+4294959281&Nty=1

Max

Alien_X · « **Reply #32 on:** December 22, 2008, 05:17:29 AM »

If it is push button it must be latching.

Modded Matt · « **Reply #33 on:** December 22, 2008, 07:24:53 AM »

personally, I liked the origional idea of this thread, using an external switched power supply. this could get dangerous if in the wrong hands, but in the hands of a skilled modder this has limitless possabilities. honestly, I've been hit with 5v, 12v, and I have had a dose of 120v. and am still kicking. the best thing about these lower voltages, is when they bite you, they let go, when you get up to 110-220v these grab hold of you.

kids please dont try this, this mod I agree should have lets say a 18 yr age limit or so, but I would not just look past it, you are working around these voltages when working inside the xbox anyway,
just make sue to use a selectable transformer, like the one I listed from radio shack, this way once the power gets to the xbox, it is the same as the usb anyway.

so realistically, this is not any more damgerous than A. plugging the 360 into the wall, or B. soldering to the usb or 12 power source of the 360.

Alien_X · « **Reply #34 on:** December 22, 2008, 07:44:10 AM »

I disagree..

Plugging a 360 into a wall is alot safer, it is a professionally engineered device, not a socket cold-soldered into some leds and a 360. I'm not going to argue, electricity kills, end of.

anyways..

Sorry to burst your bubble, but ndrew did this mod aaaages ago.

Max_Kreeger · « **Reply #35 on:** December 22, 2008, 07:23:51 PM »

lol, I fail. Haha. Do you have a link ? I want to check his idea out.

Thanks
Max

FooToo · « **Reply #36 on:** December 23, 2008, 09:37:34 AM »

Quote from: Max_Kreeger on December 21, 2008, 08:31:52 PM

Yeah, there's still a way to turn off the LED's you can just add a switch to the circuit. Preferably a push button one because they are small so nothing will be sticking out of the case. You can have a look here for some.

http://australia.rs-online.com/web/search/searchBrowseAction.html?method=retrieveTfg&binCount=1189&Ne=4294960157&Ntt=switch&Ntk=I18NAll&Nr=AND(avl%3aau%2csearchDiscon_au%3aN)&Ntx=mode%2bmatchallpartial&N=4294863122+4294959281&Nty=1

Max

Would you possibly know the link to a tutorial on this?

if not im looking lol ^_^

Alien_X · « **Reply #37 on:** December 24, 2008, 12:43:00 AM »

I'm sorry, but if you don't know how to wire a switch then you shouldn't be modding at all!!

Max_Kreeger · « **Reply #38 on:** December 24, 2008, 04:35:17 AM »

Hey ease up man, everyone has to start somewhere - Here's a diagram to help you out:

All you got to the is cut the circuit and then just add a switch to to connect it up again.

Hope this helps
Max

P.S. You better not be trying to do this mod.

Alien_X · « **Reply #39 on:** December 24, 2008, 07:23:01 AM »

Sorry about being so harsh, playing with electricity can be dangerous!

An example, if you had attempted to install a socket in your 360, wired up the leds with 30 AWG kynar wire, and then plugged the socket into 240 VAC, you know what would happen? The wiring would almost certainly catch fire. You were smart though, and posted here first.

Max_Kreeger · « **Reply #40 on:** December 24, 2008, 07:33:04 AM »

Yeah I thought the power cable only supplied 12v, coz I saw one used in a radio. But then I figured out that the radio had something inside it which only used a certain amount of power. But I wasn't sure what. So I posted on here. I'm not a retard lol, I'm not that stupid to try pump 240v into 30 AWG wire, it would disintegrate. But again if i were to do the mod. I would just use the USB port as mentioned before you. That seems like the best and safest way.

Max

FooToo · « **Reply #41 on:** January 10, 2009, 07:37:40 AM »

Quote from: Max_Kreeger on December 24, 2008, 04:35:17 AM

Hey ease up man, everyone has to start somewhere - Here's a diagram to help you out:

All you got to the is cut the circuit and then just add a switch to to connect it up again.

Hope this helps
Max

P.S. You better not be trying to do this mod.

can you help me a little more here please ^_^

image: [img=http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/8487/xbox360py2.th.jpg]

http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/8487/xbox360py2.jpg

your help would be very much appreciated ^_^

Max_Kreeger · « **Reply #42 on:** January 10, 2009, 08:45:36 AM »

I hope this is what you ment:

Have a look in this thread to find a ground point:
https://www.acidmods.com/forum/index.php?topic=24655.0

I'm pretty sure there would be a tut on how to install the core cooler V2...have you tried google ?

FooToo · « **Reply #43 on:** January 10, 2009, 09:13:22 AM »

i just did that and no luck -_-

Max_Kreeger · « **Reply #44 on:** January 10, 2009, 09:18:08 AM »

ok try this: from the power source, positive goes to middle leg and negative goes to ground leave the fan ones as they are and de-solder the ground from wherever you soldered it to.

FooToo · « **Reply #45 on:** January 10, 2009, 09:52:25 AM »

im afraid that did not work either -_- is this even possible?

Max_Kreeger · « **Reply #46 on:** January 10, 2009, 09:54:59 AM »

Yes it is, I just get confused when you have two things coming onto it. I think your going to have to wait till someone with a lil bit more knowledge comes along..

FooToo · « **Reply #47 on:** January 10, 2009, 09:57:29 AM »

ok dokie. ^_^

Max_Kreeger · « **Reply #48 on:** January 10, 2009, 10:02:27 AM »

Maybe this will help:

http://www.bcae1.com/switches.htm

Sorry I can't be more helpful

FooToo · « **Reply #49 on:** January 10, 2009, 04:59:30 PM »

actually i found a way lol

Lets start with the main power source the red goes to positive and the black goes to ground, the fan's red wire goes on the assesory and the black on the ground.

You can add other LED's,Cathodes Fans and other things also as long as you don't over exceed the power consumption.
im thinking about adding a pinto meter for my whisper fan and also both my core cooler v2.

Ill Add a Diagram in the Edit

EDIT:

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EDIT V2: Note this is for a 3 port switch a 2 port is just a positive and a ground.

Max_Kreeger · « **Reply #50 on:** January 12, 2009, 07:23:43 PM »

Yeah I asked the guys at work, and they showed me. But looks like you beat me to it lol. Sorry I couldn't tell you earlier.

FooToo · « **Reply #51 on:** January 13, 2009, 01:14:12 PM »

its absolutely fine.
im rather glad i found out rather than of fried my xbox due to me being mad.
lol but thank you for the help it is very appreciated ^_^

802Chives · « **Reply #52 on:** January 14, 2009, 06:57:04 AM »

Quote from: modded matt on December 22, 2008, 07:24:53 AM

the best thing about these lower voltages, is when they bite you, they let go, when you get up to 110-220v these grab hold of you.

I am no expert in electrocution, but I wanted to elaborate on this a bit.......... I believe that the reason 110-220V AC "grabs" you is that the alternating current makes your muscles contract and you will have no control over them. DC doesnt have as severe of an effect so most of the time you will be able to still controll your muscles and remove yourself from the power.

That being said, always remember to use one hand when working on AC or DC electricity to reduce the risk of creating a path through you heart with both hands. Never work alone with electricity, make sure someone is in the room with you incase it does grab you, the other person can knock you off the source. If you ever need to knock someone off a source while they are being shocked, make sure to use a non conductive item like a wooden stool to get them off so you dont get bit (as badly) by the same source. If there is no time or no item you can use, I suggest a running tackle....seriously, use your momentum to make sure you dont end up in the same situation.

Also avoid wearing rings or conductive jewelry because 99% of the time that is why people get shocked.

Blazinkaos · « **Reply #53 on:** January 20, 2009, 08:45:11 AM »

Did you bother to check the voltage before handling. If that was said or not i didnt read through the thread.

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Author Topic: Xbox 360 case mod solution for overheating/banning (Read 14343 times)