Meanwhile In... ( Debate Thread )

[Rodent]

I am all for  off terra exploration and expansion. but I think we should Settle our problems here not look for a way out.

^^^^AGREED^^^^^

[BigMikeN]

that actually happened in my home town. i just called my mother and talked about it. and in the defense of the officers you have to understand as i am an animal lover as well but the risks were too high this wasn't just 1 escaped animal it was 56 large predatory animals that can and will kill a human for a food source. also stop to think (i know this for fact i lived there) this inst a large police force nor is this a common problem the police force would readily have the man power and the equipment unlike Florida the only problem they usually have is people doping off stray dogs and cats because they have too many on their farm and something had to be done fast if not think of what could have happened imagine how you would feel if a member of your family were torn apart by one of those beautiful but extremely  dangerous beast. then think that the cops had only been using tranquilizer. you would hate the officers for not killing them am i wrong. do i wish this never happened to all those amazing animals yes but to think of the greater loss if this was not handled quickly as it was is much more terrifying. its easy to criticize from a distance but put yourself in the shoes of some one who has loved ones there. if anything had happened to my family because the officers didn't act quickly as they did i would have made a personal flight back yo slaughter the entire police force. like i said i am an animal lover and i treat my dogs as family but these were no pets they were in fact predatory beast no matter how beautiful or majestic  they may be. do i think the officers should be awarded for their actions but i think they had a tough choice to make and chose the lesser of the 2 evils and reacted as quickly as they could   

[Sammy]

DAMN! look at  all those tigers they killed! Crazy bastards.

[PsychoticWolf]

that actually happened in my home town. i just called my mother and talked about it. and in the defense of the officers you have to understand as i am an animal lover as well but the risks were too high this wasn't just 1 escaped animal it was 56 large predatory animals that can and will kill a human for a food source. also stop to think (i know this for fact i lived there) this inst a large police force nor is this a common problem the police force would readily have the man power and the equipment unlike Florida the only problem they usually have is people doping off stray dogs and cats because they have too many on their farm and something had to be done fast if not think of what could have happened imagine how you would feel if a member of your family were torn apart by one of those beautiful but extremely  dangerous beast. then think that the cops had only been using tranquilizer. you would hate the officers for not killing them am i wrong. do i wish this never happened to all those amazing animals yes but to think of the greater loss if this was not handled quickly as it was is much more terrifying. its easy to criticize from a distance but put yourself in the shoes of some one who has loved ones there. if anything had happened to my family because the officers didn't act quickly as they did i would have made a personal flight back yo slaughter the entire police force. like i said i am an animal lover and i treat my dogs as family but these were no pets they were in fact predatory beast no matter how beautiful or majestic  they may be. do i think the officers should be awarded for their actions but i think they had a tough choice to make and chose the lesser of the 2 evils and reacted as quickly as they could   

This could have been solved without violence. Its easy to call in from neighboring areas for support  just some time before they can get there. also these were not Blood thirsty Kill on Sight beasts. so the action they took was bull:censored: They just picked the easy way and not actually away that would solve the issue. But since we can't changed what happen life goes on. I just feel sorry for the poor animals. Its a Shame.

[Phantom]

that makes me sick, there should be consequences for that.

18 bengal tigers were killed, there are only 1400 left on earth. why didn't they use tranquilizers??

saving a species is worth the risk of a human life, there are about 7 billion of us anyway.

[FOOKz™]

Most humans are dumb. The human body is designed for eating mostly plants as food. We eat meat anyways. Also we screw up the environment for other animals. My point is that Im not human and those _{human cops} need to feed and shovel Tiger P00P for the rest of their life. Fair Enough.

[BigMikeN]

please don't misunderstand me i don't feel good about the death of those animals but hmm let me put it this way lets put it this way lets say they were not animals would you feel the same way. if it were 56 people known for killing that escaped from an insane asylum they have unreal strength and the ability to kill effortlessly and because i know it would be used to defend the animals i made them from an insane asylum so they wouldn't know any better for what they would do. would you react the same way i think not. you would most likely have the feeling that if they came near your house family or loved ones you would put the barrel between there eyes and scatter there brains across a 100 yard stretch. and what i feel to be the largest problem in the not blood thirsty animals is the fact that you don't know. this was not animals escaping from a zoo or from some personal trainer that found a way tame a wild animal this was 1 man who collected these exotic animals not a trained professional. you have no clue if they were fed properly even a dog will attack if its starved (how do you think they have dog fights)the guy was having money problems any way what makes you think they were properly cared for just look at what the people had to say that lived around him 
 
,” Hostetler said in a telephone interview. “It’s been a horrible situation for the animals for quite some time.”

Hostetler said Thompson was “just a collector, a hoarder.”

Ashley Hartman, 26, who lives nearby, said farmers would bring dead cows or other carrion to Thompson to feed the wild animals.

or maybe you didn't read that far because you were to caught up thinking "but animals have rights too they feel just like people" and while i agree with that thought process i also feel if some one or some think is a threat to my families life i will exterminate it without hesitation weather it be man woman or beast

[BigMikeN]

i personally feel that if you want to believe any one the bad guy maybe you should hold it against the man who caged teh animal in the first place not the ones that had to deal with the problems he left behind by letting the animals free in a populated area maybe blame the man who didnt properly care for the animals but hes dead so you cant he took the easy way out by killing him self and the officers had to deal with that now i personally thing because hes not there to blame humanity has to take the easy way out and blame some one else but those are my thoughts and im gonna stop posting on this thread because i can see myself getting mad very fast here

[FOOKz™]

Well said big mike you kinda changed my opinion if you put it that way.

[BigMikeN]

a few more people to quote to bring this further into the light

Famed animal expert and Director of the Columbus Zoo Jack Hanna was at the forefront of this crisis in Ohio. He joined us on the phone to talk about what happened.

Hanna is defending the sheriff's decision to kill animals instead of trying to capture them because he said there are no other option. Hanna said it can take eight to 10 minutes for an animal to go down after being shot with a tranquilizer, and in that time they can be a great danger to people. Hanna also said if deputies hadn’t shot the animals and let them get away, there would have been “major death” in the area.



The animals’ cages had been opened and the farm’s fences had been left unsecured, police said. It was “very possible” that Thompson left the cages open, Lutz said.

so they did not escape they were let go

"These animals were on the move, they were showing aggressive behavior," Sheriff Matt Lutz said. "Once the nightfall hit, our biggest concern was having these animals roaming."

so much for not being agressive

"All these animals have the ability to take a human out in the length of a second," said Merry, who called himself an animal lover but said he knew he was protecting the community.

could it be that simple yes

 many calls at the 73-acre spread over the years, including reports of animal cruelty.

as i said not properly cared for so who knows how they would have reacted

and please don't hate me for feeling strongly on this because i am in fact an animal lover and it was tragic i just don't believe that people are blaming the right people by all means be mad at the man that put the animals that are found in Africa in a cold place like Ohio or blame the politicians that allowed this to happen but the police that did what they had to to save there small town is the wrong way to start pointing the blame

[robin1989]

well its going to take us atleast 80-100 years i think to manage to get our world off fossil fuels and all that bad stuff and onto clean energy which is a big part of our problems as we need to retrofit our buildings and infrastructure to cope. but if we start on places like the moon etc we can build it in from the start as well as begin some terraforming to make it more livable.

and considering we only have about 60 years left to make some big changes before were past the point of no return we need to start making some prior arangements so we have a backup plan should we pass the point of no return

[magic_man185]

Another point that Jack Hanna made is that if you tried to tranquilize the animals, during the time it takes to go into effect the animals can get away and hide so they won't be found, then the sedative would wear off and they would still be loose. Also, I heard another news report today that said 25 of the animals that were killed were shot by officers just trying to get onto the property to find out what happened to the owner.  Jack Hanna also said that he had a friend that was killed by a large tiger or something, and he said the animal leaped 18 feet in one jump and pinned the guy, and he was dead, so this shows just how dangerous these animals can be. I mean, if the wildlife expert says the officers were doing the right thing, I am inclined to take his word for it, lol.

[Nevbox]

I can see that the officers did what they had to do, but the police would of known about this group of dangerous exotic animals, so they should really have been equipped to deal with this kinda problem. Also you have to ask why was this man allowed to look after these animals when he wasn't in a good mental state.

[RyanF]

The officers had no choice but to open fire.  The animals were actually charging the squad cars when they drove up.  A bear apparently was also charging an officer who drew his side arm just before it got close enough to swipe its paw at him.  The whole thing was almost like war on the officers.  Animals were attacking them and they only had side arms and a few rifles.  There was only one animal they could have let live, the wolf.  It is native to North America and would eventually find its way to a pack.  I think they killed the wolf because they were worried it was diseased like the monkeys.

[zack247]

D: NOT THE WUFFIES!
if they killed the wolf, -24 respect for them. i know that maybe it was the right thing to do, but wolves arent really exotic animals and they wont attack anyone unless they are threatened.

[Rodent]

expert says the officers were doing the right thing, .

EXPERTS?  WTF do they know?

[Nevbox]

EXPERTS?  WTF do they know?

The title expert has lost credibility over the years.

[Rodent]

The title expert has lost credibility over the years.

Exactly that was  my point when I said WTF do they know? meaning they dont know !

[Nevbox]

I was just agreeing

[spurgurgle]

[FOOKz™]

[Nevbox]

Thank You Spurg

[Nevbox]

Holiday group doesn't seem to be working, but I am away for 10 days, In Greece *worried*

[Crumbz]

we only have about 60 years left to make some big changes before were past the point of no return

60 years? where the hell do you get 60 years from? Our usage of fossil fuels is absolutely disgusting and our overall usage has only dropped about 1.5% since 2005 when the threat of global warming was finally realized as a real threat and not a myth.

So on an accurate chart, with the current usage of fossil fuels and the estimated current damage to the planet, we only have 15 to 20 years at most until we reach the point of "No Return".

So no offense or nothing but 60 years is a long shot at best, and an epic failure most likely.

And BigMikeN...

Really your going to compare animals to deranged or calculated killers? Humans have the ability to think and understand their actions and know full well what the consiqueces of their actions are going to be, animals do not, and only kill for territory or food.

So therefore i would feel no pitty for those escaped convicts.

[BigMikeN]

Really your going to compare animals to deranged or calculated killers? Humans have the ability to think and understand their actions and know full well what the consequences of their actions are going to be, animals do not, and only kill for territory or food

OK look that's why in my example i made them from a mental institution (most don't understand the consequences nor do they have a scene of right and wrong) also i was using that as an example to allow people to understand that these were not just beautiful animals they were in fact a very large threat to the lives of many people in the area. i was not trying to say that these animals were specifically out to kill people. i was only saying that these animals had been mistreated and were not being fed properly so this would make them a larger threat to people one they are hungry and will use people as a food source 2 they were handled improperly so human communication is lacking making them more likely to become frightened and attack. 3 they are naturally aggressive animals not like those cute little kittens that run away from danger bears will attack things that they consider a threat as will large cats

for those that said the police should have been better prepared, sure they should have but the funding to do so has to be there first 

and for those that say what do those experts know actually they know a lot actually  one was the head o fa rather large zoo or maybe you need todoyour research on Jack Hanna

and for those that said they were not blood thirsty animals well maybe they weren't out for blood maybe they were just scared and out of their element but they still attacked the officers before any shots were ever fired

also i knew there would be some  out there that would take what i was saying wrong even tho i spelled it out for them

all i was trying to say is don't blame the officers for what they had to do

YES I FEEL THIS WAS TRAGIC AND I WISH THE ANIMALS DIDN'T HAVE TO DIE
 
but the officers tried to use tranquilizers  and it didn't work and it was getting dark (for those that don't know big cats like to hunt at night and are next to ninja in their stealth in the dark)   they had to do something before it was too late before kids pets and family members started to end up missing

i will say this again because aparently there are some dumb out there

 this is terrible but pointing blame and saying the officers need shot for saving many lives is truly idiotic first because if your  just being stupid and telling yourself but those animals wouldnt hurt any one your wrong and need to do your research and second because if you are such a hypocritical  that you have to point the finger on some one for something that had nothing to do with you then point that  finger in the right direction point it at the guy who caged and mistreated African animals in Ohio  point to the politicians that allowed him to keep these animals. also i do love animals but to put the life of a bear or a tiger  over a child or a wife no thanks i find that disgusting deep down in my soul  and i think you are the one that needs to be shot not the officer

do i like to know that they shot these animals no but there really wasn't another choice that would allow these officers to do their jobs (for those that apparently don't understand there job is to protect the people) and save the animals

it has been stated that they tried to save them but when it came down to it they couldn't the animals were to scared and aggressive for the tranquilizer to work and they were attacking the officers

so unless you have actually done your research and have something of interest to say please don't quote me ever again

[PsychoticWolf]

Meh. Too many future arguments coming.  people Quote People its a forum.

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