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Console Modding------ ( Here you can talk about your favorite Consoles ) => PC => Topic started by: MattZani on March 10, 2008, 09:08:39 AM
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This is a real hard decision for me, no fanboy 'MAC SUX LULZ' please, im going into graphic design.
Im swinging towards the Macbook and PC, either upgrading the one i have (unlikely) or building from the ground up.
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well if this is a career pc then i guess you would be fine with going with a laptop and desktop. The desktop would be good for multiple screens and getting that higher resolution you might need for big pieces and the laptop so you good use it on the go for smaller things. anyways just make it so your desktop can be upgradeble so you can add some stuff when you get money to get some gaming outta it.
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go pro, baby
specially w/ the new ones
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btw, it would be a blackbook, and £600 on pc
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noah please consider this as not a thing to flaunt about macs and all a pc and a mac would be a much better choice you cant do half the crap on a mac notebook that you can with a desktop even if you wanted to make it apple even though i dont know why :eyebrow:. He's gonna need something with more power probably and more versatility at home plus its easier to work on a desktop.
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im not, im giving my imput which was get a macbook pro
i love mine, he was considering a mbp before, and i am further suggesting the idea
and its more powerful than you give it credit...far more
my mbp is a monster, and i use it as an all around. no need for a desktop i see it
a blackbook (which is drop dead secksy btw [i have 3 freinds have em' and they are just..oh]) and a desktop would be ok, use of the portable as a portable unit with a base station system..but with the mbp there is no need, its the system, and its powerful enough to act like it with all the secksyness and portability
also its a new motif to use macs as graphic designing computas'
south park studios makes south park with them
my personal trainer's sister (weird connections, huh?) has a mac pro for base work and a macbook pro for portable work
and my cousin out in oregon has a macbook pro for artistry and whatnot (she got some :censored:ing designs for these t-shirts..japan only though :( but i want one!)
when i went to a printing company for my j-term, the graphic designers in the digital art room were doing all this neat photoshop stuff on mac pro's too
so macs are popular with the graphic world, and they work wonders with graphic design too, so certianly reccomend the macbook pro becasue its very powerful, secksie, portable, and you can alwasy boot to windows and play CoD4 (but i heard of a macosx version coming out soon :o )
also, matt, if you get a mbp, and crysis, then i can give you the config i have to make it still look really good and run super well! :)
i love that game
the onnly issue is using a trackpad for gaming. 2 solutions: get used to it (i did and i kick in CoD) or get a mouse (tried that too, nice stuff)
oh, and if you get a mbp read my review on the kensington mouse in the review section
i love that thing!!!!
you cant do half the crap on a mac notebook that you can with a desktop even if you wanted to make it apple even though i dont know why :eyebrow:. He's gonna need something with more power probably and more versatility at home plus its easier to work on a desktop.
not true, slander, you dont even have one, how would you know?again, not true. my computer performes scarily close to my dad's new imac, he has some specs over me, i have some over him, but its closer to being rather balanced in performance. as for why, macs are very nice computers, easy to use, and you can even use windowswith a macbook pro there is plenty of power, and some to spare, especially with the new ones. versatility is one major selling point of a macbook pro, its very versatile, and as for easier working...well staring at an external monitor with your keyboard in your lap may be nice for some people, but i've always had the good experince of working with my laptop. super easy and even a backlit keyboard if its dark
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yeh i say get a mbp as i found it more than adequate to do all my media video editing for college and i got a 1st gen one so ther way more powerful now and have higher res screens etc.
when im at home i plug it into my monitor or tv and use my wireless keyboard and mouse for it and have it like a desktop. they can also take some abuse my has been dropped god noes how many times, thrown across a room, stayed on for 2 month straight got trampled on, had stuff spilt and all its got to show for it is a few little dents and scratches. i also reguarly bott into widows for office 2007.
so i say get a high end MBP or if you dont think that will meat all your requirements go for a blackbook and OC'ed PC
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I'd go with MBP to... cause dont the MB's have lower stats? Or thats what I thought, correct me if I'm wrong
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yeh mb has lower stats it
for laptops the order is
air<Macbook<macbook pro
for desktops its
mini<imac<Mac pro
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i forgot to mention 64 bit stuff
if yu want a fancy 64 bit gaphic program for mac then 64 works in leopard n' stuff...
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I'd say build your own kickass PC because you get the most bang for your buck, and if you need any portability (cheap and battery life) you can get a laptop really cheap.
For instance check out these 2 links
Link 1 (http://www.amazon.co.uk/MESH-PLE2403WSB1-Widescreen-Monitor-LightScribe/dp/B00127DSZY/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1205186397&sr=1-5)
Link 2 (http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B000VPLHEM/ref=amb_link_macro_57455265)
~1600 and you get an amazing desktop (and you can build one for even cheaper) and a decent spec'd laptop
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wow funny i was playing around with that acer just today looking for t.vs.
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I think I have pretty much decided on a MacBook and a PC, which I'll get first I dunno, probably the MacBook as then I can see if I need a pc at all, and if I don't start saving for the next macbook pro I suppose :p
Thanks for all the input guys, and reaper; if I make a pc it will not dissapoint!
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I think I have pretty much decided on a MacBook and a PC, which I'll get first I dunno, probably the MacBook as then I can see if I need a pc at all, and if I don't start saving for the next macbook pro I suppose :p
Thanks for all the input guys, and reaper; if I make a pc it will not dissapoint!
let me know if you need help, I'm almost done pricing my build. Quad core with an 8600GT and other parts for less than $700 shipped
smoking pc. Put it this way, the alienware dual cores START at $1300, without tax and shipping...
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yeah building is better
good luck and enjoy the blackbo- oh sorry, african-americanbook (ongoing joke at school, sry :P )
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now swinging towards the MBP and make a cheap PC later in the year lulz
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well in that case i will reinforce my "go pro, baby"
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Get whatever is more necessary and practical for your needs. If your just going to build a kick ass PC for gaming and such, get the Macbook first to takes notes on and stuff. It's also portable and will serve you better schoolwork wise.
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Get whatever is more necessary and practical for your needs. If your just going to build a kick ass PC for gaming and such, get the Macbook first to takes notes on and stuff. It's also portable and will serve you better schoolwork wise.
Even better would be to pick up a PS3 for the gaming, will cost less...
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and double as a family blu ray player...so many advantages to ps3...if that was used as a game machine only more reason to go pro
no need for a gamin rig if you have a kickarse console like that
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Wow. its a hard decision and an even harder topic to give suggestions on as we dont know your needs. Do you need portable? Will you be playing games? Will you be doing image editing, or just simple computing?
If you can answer any of those questions, we can give an accurate suggestion. If you want gaming, Im going to say Gaming PC. Not one for laptops myself. Also not one for Mac's, only because I cant use the damn OS! If you want imaging though, then you have to go OS...I know its a hard OS to use, but I do know that Mac does handle images and such like that. Anyway, thats my two cents untill you give what you want or what your needs are.
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I Do Photoshop, want portability, own a PS3 and 360, own an iPod Touch
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Go Mac Book. You already have a gaming rig. You already have Music. So go Mac book get that good photoshoping software that comes with it.
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yeah the pro is screamin' with photoshop
heck, i have it on here (thoough i cant use it that well....at all.....ever...)
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MacBook Pro, as if your going into design, thats a huge advantage, also, theres not really any need for a gaming computer, you have a 360 AND a ps3, dam, i aint got any consoles (I did but due to modding they are brokeedededed)
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PC games are a little cheaper than MAC games, only reason I'm saying that really
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PC games are cheaper than mac games, and better IMHO, but he's got the PS3, so his gaming needs are pretty much filled. Thats the only reason I say Macbook. And believe me, ever time I say that I die a little inside.
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I WIll be dualbooting btw, and the MBP has an 8600M GT 512mb
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yeh i say go mbp as you can run the windows games and also more developers are starting to do mac games since the move to intel
and mac games arnt that much different i dont think in price
apple games section (http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa/wa/RSLID?nnmm=browse&mco=2E630EB&node=home/shop_mac/software/action_games)
http://www.insidemacgames.com/ (http://www.insidemacgames.com/)
http://www.macgamestore.com (http://www.macgamestore.com)
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well, if you've got MacDows and MSDows, don't see y you shouldn't get a mac...
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I vote hackintosh lol. Prob the Mac.
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I second my decision for a gaming PC, I LOVE MINE
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PC's r cheaper too....so that's another plus to em...as long as you have GOOD anti virus and spyware software on em =D
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if you need anything go for nod32 its amazing
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so any final decision? :P
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Not yet, still stirring, i need to get the cash anyway, im still swinging towards MBP, but i need to get cash, and to get cash i need to loose some weight, so yeah. should have one by June.
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Not yet, still stirring, i need to get the cash anyway, im still swinging towards MBP, but i need to get cash, and to get cash i need to loose some weight, so yeah. should have one by June.
Pimpin your self out?
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No, deal with parents, I don't wanna be a man :censored:
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No, deal with parents, I don't wanna be a man :censored:
ah, same way i did it
but i get no birthday stuff for next year....
same way im getting a ps3..except its more bribery-ish
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I wish I could do that kinda deal only prob is I'm the one buggin my parents about getting in shape so yea........ maybe to get in 90's but again ummmmm got like 8-10 % to go. and then no life.
p.s. for getting in shape go to this http://www.mensworkoutguide.com/workout/week6.html (http://www.mensworkoutguide.com/workout/week6.html) site I've been using his workouts for like past couple of months and I do look better not as much improvement to make as certain peeps so I can't tell as much but its great for building strength and burning fat plus you can do it at home if you spend like 150$ bucks or whatever it costs for the equipment.
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Decision Made
IM GETTING A 2.5Ghz 15" MBP IN LIKE 2 FREAKIN WEEKS! YEAH BOIZ!!!!!!!
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aight
sweet stuff right there
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Get a kick ass gaming PC and dualboot OSX, Linux, and Windows. Personally, I hate the Mac interface, and pretty much everything about it, but I hacked a copy of OSX just to say that I have a reason to hate it :]
Isn't that hard, if I remember correctly.
Also, any software you'd get for a Mac is pretty much the same (cost and application wise) as the Windows version. Personally, I really hate Macs because they sell :censored:ty hardware for stupidly high prices. Any Macbook laptop you get I'll guarantee you that I could get something twice as good for the same or less cash, if you went over to Linux.
Yea, I'm a Linux fanboy, shoot me.
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I second my decision for a gaming PC, I LOVE MINE
Yea I second That. I just built mine from the ground up. it was Really Cheap and Lots of Fun to run a PC you made (not the first time building one)
(I will post pics in the right spot later)
ahh didnt see mattZani's post. Thats Cool Hope all works out for ya.
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Get a kick ass gaming PC and dualboot OSX, Linux, and Windows. Personally, I hate the Mac interface, and pretty much everything about it, but I hacked a copy of OSX just to say that I have a reason to hate it :]
Isn't that hard, if I remember correctly.
Also, any software you'd get for a Mac is pretty much the same (cost and application wise) as the Windows version. Personally, I really hate Macs because they sell :censored:ty hardware for stupidly high prices. Any Macbook laptop you get I'll guarantee you that I could get something twice as good for the same or less cash, if you went over to Linux.
Yea, I'm a Linux fanboy, shoot me.
#1 if its three than its tripleboot, not dual (dual is two, triple is three, etc etc)
#2 hacking it is illegal and is not to be spoken of because its illegal
and here we are legit
#3 hate is a strong term that should not be used so lightly;
through past experiances i have learned this myself, and to be frank i disagree with its usage in this area. hate is deeper than an operating system's gui and overall experiance. dislike is more for that kind of thing, while hate is a terrible feeling, that often results in violence because it is stemmed from a lack of understanding and rejection thereof...do you 'hate' it so much you would attack an apple employee? again, its a very strong term...
#4 you are alloted your opinion, and now i respect that fact, but i will state only that i strongly disagree with your position on apple brand computers; as a consumer of them myself, i am quite happy
#5 when you say you can get somthing twice as good that is not necessarily true based on certain criteria and needs. in his case the macbook pro meets his criteria and needs (which do not include a gaming pc because the lucky guy has a ps3 that is severly coveted by me)
#6 the decision is made and we should all respect that and stop trying to sway him agian
this is difficult for him, as it WAS the worlds hardest decision and took him a long time to finally come up with a solution
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#1 if its three than its tripleboot, not dual (dual is two, triple is three, etc etc)
#2 hacking it is illegal and is not to be spoken of because its illegal
and here we are legit
#3 hate is a strong term that should not be used so lightly;
through past experiances i have learned this myself, and to be frank i disagree with its usage in this area. hate is deeper than an operating system's gui and overall experiance. dislike is more for that kind of thing, while hate is a terrible feeling, that often results in violence because it is stemmed from a lack of understanding and rejection thereof...do you 'hate' it so much you would attack an apple employee? again, its a very strong term...
#4 you are alloted your opinion, and now i respect that fact, but i will state only that i strongly disagree with your position on apple brand computers; as a consumer of them myself, i am quite happy
#5 when you say you can get somthing twice as good that is not necessarily true based on certain criteria and needs. in his case the macbook pro meets his criteria and needs (which do not include a gaming pc because the lucky guy has a ps3 that is severly coveted by me)
#6 the decision is made and we should all respect that and stop trying to sway him agian
this is difficult for him, as it WAS the worlds hardest decision and took him a long time to finally come up with a solution
I agree with all of what you said. but 4 5 6 I Cant Agree with you more, Apple is a good Brand I own ed a MacbookPro Only for a month But still was one of the best laptops i had But thats My opinion. and I think We all Know how hard it is to Picksome thing you want when there is 3 other choices and are Just As Good Maybe Even Better But... I understand and I would like to see how it works out For Him
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#2 hacking it is illegal and is not to be spoken of because its illegal
and here we are legit
It isn't hacking, because it's not breaking into something - Cracking would be a more correct term, yet not quite that (As that implies a "Crack" on a password or otherwise). As far as I know, getting OSX to work on a regular PC is a pain in the ass, but legal insofar as you bought the software. If it's not, then I apologize.
#3 hate is a strong term that should not be used so lightly;
through past experiances i have learned this myself, and to be frank i disagree with its usage in this area. hate is deeper than an operating system's gui and overall experiance. dislike is more for that kind of thing, while hate is a terrible feeling, that often results in violence because it is stemmed from a lack of understanding and rejection thereof...do you 'hate' it so much you would attack an apple employee? again, its a very strong term...
Would I attack an apple employee? Maybe. Dunno, it would depend if they've been on the other end of one of my calls.
Why do I hate, and use the term justly? Let's see here:
I work at my county's school system as a techy.
The county has several problems with it:
90% of the computer base is Mac (Not OSX - OSX isn't as bad, but I still encounter several problems)
of that 90%, a good 20-30% go bad weekly.
Of that percentage, about 50% I have to re-install the system because the students or teachers did something stupid, and I can't access/do something for whatever reason. Also, it's more convient to simply re-install the OS in most cases.
Of the other 50%, either one of the parts is bad.
Of that, 90% I have a replacement - usually a bad memory stick, because once again, a student or teacher did something to screw with it, and didn't notice.
With that 10%, I have to go through the hell that is Mac to get a new part for it, and usually end up buying many times more that I need, in case another goes bad in a different one.
Because of this, the county doesn't have enough money to switch to PCs.
Another thing: Most of the software that the Board of Ed sends us is for PCs because other counties (somehow...) seem to have more cash then us and have already upgraded to Windows.
I get :censored:ed at because the teachers can't install the software that needs to be installed, because of BoE standards.
I then get :censored:ed again, because I have to explain why all of our IT funding goes into getting the current Macs running because all of the teachers have software on them that they can't run at home.
Wanna try again? I think that "Hate" is quite an apt term for this situation.
Also:
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/hate (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/hate)
"to dislike intensely or passionately; feel extreme aversion for or extreme hostility toward; detest: to hate the enemy; to hate bigotry."
Note: Aversion. I avoid Macs as much as possible (Despite the fact I'm stuck using them almost daily), and I do have extreme hostility to them. Instead of throwing away the ones I'm allowed to (About one a month... Which is promptly replaced with the lowest-end Dell possible - Don't get me started on Dells), I tend to take them home and disassemble or beat the pulp out of for fun.
#5 when you say you can get somthing twice as good that is not necessarily true based on certain criteria and needs. in his case the macbook pro meets his criteria and needs (which do not include a gaming pc because the lucky guy has a ps3 that is severly coveted by me)
Should have left in the part about hardware, but I didn't know the exact specs he was getting. My bad. Also, just because one has a PS3 (or equivelent system), does not outrule the want for another.
In my opinion, PC gaming > console gaming, but once again, my opinion.
#6 the decision is made and we should all respect that and stop trying to sway him agian
At the time of posting, I didn't read the last post, and didn't know he hadn't already picked.
If I had bothered to read the second page I wouldn't have posted what I had.
Sorry about that.
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i maintain that hate is too strong of a word
as for illegality, apple made osx their proprietary os for their hardware ONLY (very pushy about it i guess) but basically they dont want their os on any other system (microsoft on the other hand love's apple customer's buisness...they are a software company and now that macs run windows they couldnt be happier to turn a massive profit give people the joy of their os)
and it sounds like you're suffering from not really faulty hardware, but old hardware-in fact i am moving soon to a district where the public schools have old crappy emacs *shudder*
my school is laptop mac based, roughly 75% have the latest ibooks (before they were discontinued) and 25% has last gen macbooks.
technical issues only arise with abuse (terrible, terrible things, walking around with them holding them at their side with one hand swaying them around, knocking them, driving off with them still on the roof of their car)
the real issue it sounds like is funding and the board of education being really arrogant of the issues
if your district truly cared about technology integrated education then they would certainly pass a bond to raise money for either full repairs or new computer (one district i looked at moving to just built a brand new 6 million dollar building, complete with both last gen and latest gen imacs because the people of the town value education and the school well integrated technology into it [smartboards hooked up to imacs in every class] and when i talked to teachers about the computer situation they loved the macs and found them so much easier and less problematic)
srsly the hardware is very nice, heck my dad who's been with computers since college (being up till 4 am punching punch cards to feed into massive computers taking up half of yale's labs) switched to the newest 24 inch imac and loves it, he still a newb at osx (rarely uses it, infact) but thats cool because he's used to windows and has no issues with it (good thing too...if he had bootcamp beta he'd be sooooo pissed...)
ill say apple does have flaws, noone's perfect
but the hardware is really like any other hardware
which include
-they are rather pricey and seem to only 'endorse' pricey 3rd party products (though some, including myself, find worth in most of the priceyness [i.e. i will pay as much as was paid for the macbook pro, however 100$ for bose in-ear headphones is f**king stupid)
-people arent used to the operation system so they reject it often before trying it
-and finally, steve jobs is an egomaniac jerk. a podcast host who;s listed on itunes met him at macworld and asked rather sheepishly if she could have a picture with him and he said "you're rude", went back to his iphone, and turned his back to her. plus when he and apple were younger he got his g/f pregnant and denied the baby was his...later he accepted it but that in the first place is a :censored: move (see movie "Pirates of Silicon Valley for more...steve jobs, steve wozniack (woot for woz), steve ballmer, and billy gates..all info on them). but he can be a jerk, and i havent heard of him being such a philanthropist like billy gates...he has enough money...so nuff said bout' jobsy
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I feel your pain Ultimaarashi. I helped my school with all their networking to the point where they can see who is using a computer at any given point (all pc's have built in webcam) and any computer can be remotely connected to any projector with the appropriate login privileges (of course I have an admin account). I am also in the process of getting the wireless fixed up, they were running Wireless B and before I graduate they will be running Speed Boosted N. The only teacher in the entire school that doesn't have network access is the Chem teacher because he has a MBP and refuses to use the Windows PC.
Anyway moral of my story is I know the in's and outs of PC's and I know how incredibly stupid kids are when it comes to :censored:ing them up. I've actually been called out of class because of stupid things that some teachers can't figure out (Students flipped screen 180 degrees or blocked input from KB+M with an APP)
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Reaper, seems like your school needs to block students installing software etc.
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Reaper, seems like your school needs to block students installing software etc.
Most of the stuff is built in, like the nvidia tool for rotating the display (which can't be locked because it's used properly quite often) and flash drives with batch files on them. We might just turn off all USB ports and use standard KB+M if it keeps happening, but yet again some students actually use the flash drives for things other than evil (it's my primary powerpoint file carrier)
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hey reaper i dont know how our college did it but they had certain file types blocked on a user level basisi so like .exe install files and .bat etc files were blocked for everyone but admins and students could only use there own usb pens as long as they had first been signed and verified by the network admins so like you would have to take your usb to the admins first and they would plug it in run a program and then it would work on the network
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screw the mac. I'm going graphic design to and I'm building my own rig for just under $1200.
Here are the specs and parts.
-Windows XP
-XFX 680i mother board
-4gb of ram running at 800MHz
-Quad-core intel 2.4 GHz processor
-500gb hard drive
-Philips DVD burner
-Dual SLI XFX GeForce 9600GT graphics cards
-LevelOne WNC-0600 Wireless N Network Adapter - 300Mbps
-COOLER MASTER Real Power Pro RS-750W (I think 750 watts should do it, I need to double check:confused:)
-COOLER MASTER CM690 Mid-Tower case
-22-inch ViewSonic Optquest
-Logitech Cordless Desktop S 510
-The Case-
(https://acidmods.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.tigerdirect.com%2Fskuimages%2Flarge%2FC283-2032-main-SLI.jpg&hash=3f248bf2570dc9190400c46c5abab0e1c7844342)
Try to build a mac with those specs for under $1200.... wait you can't!
so just build you machine. Macs are by far the most overprice and underpowered computers on the market. and if you don't feel comfortable building your machine then buy a dell XPS 420.
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screw the mac. I'm going graphic design to and I'm building my own rig for just under $1200.
Here are the specs and parts.
-Windows XP
-XFX 680i mother board
-4gb of ram running at 800MHz
-Quad-core intel 2.4 GHz processor
-500gb hard drive
-Philips DVD burner
-Dual SLI XFX GeForce 9600GT graphics cards
-LevelOne WNC-0600 Wireless N Network Adapter - 300Mbps
-COOLER MASTER Real Power Pro RS-750W (I think 750 watts should do it, I need to double check:confused:)
-COOLER MASTER CM690 Mid-Tower case
-22-inch ViewSonic Optquest
-Logitech Cordless Desktop S 510
Try to build a mac with those specs for under $1200.... wait you can't!
so just build you machine. Macs are by far the most overprice and underpowered computers on the market. and if you don't feel comfortable building your machine then buy a dell XPS 420.
AGAIN
#6 the decision is made and we should all respect that and stop trying to sway him agian
this is difficult for him, as it WAS the worlds hardest decision and took him a long time to finally come up with a solution
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AGAIN
#6 the decision is made and we should all respect that and stop trying to sway him agian
this is difficult for him, as it WAS the worlds hardest decision and took him a long time to finally come up with a solution
oh he made a decision. ok then.... :wacko:
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yeah...its made, and it was difficult for him so we shouldnt confuse him or sway him more...again...worlds hardest decision
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Besides, that desktop looks like a POS compared to a MBP, and its pre-made filth, wheres the fun in that?
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yeh i was about to say that even though he had made a decision on the mbp a while ago he decided that he wanted a laptop and all you guys were suggesting that he should get a desktop
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Besides, that desktop looks like a POS compared to a MBP, and its pre-made filth, wheres the fun in that?
Enjoy being the exact same as every other MBP owner. LOL Remember to be unique!
Also, personally I don't really like the MBP, the Air is cooler looking. I want a laptop that I can fold up and put into my pocket, just a few more years...
-Dual SLI XFX GeForce 9600GT graphics cards
Please for the love of god don't get dual 9600's A single overclocked 8800 is comparable... Get 2 8800's over clock em and SLI em and you'll get better performance for less money...
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Reaper, if im gonna be tied to a massive box, i want it to be unique.
Besides, i've never seen anyone with a Macbook Pro round here, so i'll be unique!
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Reaper, if im gonna be tied to a massive box, i want it to be unique.
Besides, i've never seen anyone with a Macbook Pro round here, so i'll be unique!
LOL
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new hot mbp w/ multitouch