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AcidMods Resources ----- ( These are helpful tools for modding ) => Pic Programmers and Programs => Topic started by: gameroms on August 23, 2008, 08:35:21 AM
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this works on desktops only ill make a simple one for laptop also, this works great for PIC 12F, 16F series
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ive been using one i built like this for 1yr now no problems
replace the 22k resistor with a 2.2k resistor, and replace the 1uf cap with a 10 uf cap.
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here is the usb powered version, i will also post a radio shack parts list with this one.
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yeh please i need a pic programmer if you could do that step by step tutorial and even put in a video please :dribble:
i cant read schematics thats why
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Is there any way to add a 14 pin socket or other sockets onto it?
Wait.... Why is this in the 360 section?
Is there any that can be interfaced through USB? I wouldnt mind having to pay a little more money to be able to interface through usb.
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its in the 360 section because rapid fire has overrun it, and alot of people are looking for a programmer that works for 12f683, like meh. but can you post a radioshack parts list plus # plz? or links whatevers easier
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RADIO SHACK PARTS LIST
1 -- 276-565 -- 5.1V ZENER DIODE -- $1.39 -- QTY 3
1 -- 276-1122 -- 1N4148 SWITCHING DIODE -- $1.49 -- QTY 5
2 -- 272-1025 -- 10UF CAP -- $1.19 -- QTY 1
1 -- 271-1325 -- 2.2K OHM RESISTOR -- $0.99 -- QTY 5
1 -- 271-1335 -- 10K OHM RESISTOR -- $0.99 -- QTY 5
1 -- 271-1339 -- 22K OHM RESISTOR -- $0.99 -- QTY 5
1 -- 276-1995 -- 8-PIN SOCKET -- $0.69 -- QTY 2
1 -- 276-148 -- PROJECT BOARD -- $1.99 -- QTY 2
TOTAL: $9.72 PLUS TAX
THE ABOVE PARTS LIST DOESNT INCLUDE A DB-9 SERIAL CABLE TO CONNECT TO PCB, YOULL NEED TO CUT IT IN HALF AND YOU CAN MAKE 2 PROGRAMMERS, BECAUSE YOULL HAVE ENOUGH PARTS LEFT OVER TO MAKE A SECOND PROGRAMER.
BUT I PREFER TO ORDER ONE OF THESR FOR $5.99, I HAVE 2 AND THEY WORK GREAT, AND IF YOU MAKE ONE IT WONT LOOK AS GOOD AS THE KIT! :w00t:
http://www.atvgc.com/shop/details.php?id=10 (http://www.atvgc.com/shop/details.php?id=10)
SORRY ABOUT THE CAPS, DIDNT NOTICE TILL I WAS FINISHED. and im to lazy to retype..
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Is there any way for it to interface through usb? And how can i add a 14 pin socket?
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yeah i dont see the serial plug that is on the programmer that the cable goes to
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Should post this in the tutorial section.
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props to roms for his find. i mad one last night when my arm got better just to make one and it works fine ... heres the pics
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nice find. man this works just as good as my 80$ programmer. sad really
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cool, glad to see it, you can program the 14 pin 16f series in the 8-pin socket. just line up leg 1 on each and have fun..
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Oh, ok, nice, And how about a usb interface?
And can you programm all types of PICs with this?
I currently have the PICKit2 starter kit,
but my friend wants one.
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are we supposed to be using a 10uf capacitor or a 1uf? the diagram says 1 but the parts list says 10
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i use a 10uf resistor and i also replace the 20k resistor with 2.2k resistor and it works great
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What about a usb interface?
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only usb for power like i listed 2nd diagram
ill look for one.
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So on the second one i can use a DB-9 to USB cable, but not on any of the others? It looks like that one calls for another power source. What is the GND and 5v parts, another power source?
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here is the usb powered version, i will also post a radio shack parts list with this one.
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for usb power, add the red and black of usb cable, if your serial port dont put out evough power
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for usb power, add the red and black of usb cable, if your serial port dont put out evough power
Im sorry, i didnt understand that. This is just usb powered? so i cant program through usb?
Can i do the first one using this?
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1086963&CatId=447 (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1086963&CatId=447)
Sorry, its just i have a laptop (Eee PC 4Gb) which doesnt have DB-9.
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heres what you need for a laptop, and thes gouys are good and ship quick.
http://www.mcumall.com/comersus/store/comersus_viewItem.asp?idProduct=3141
some times those adapters dont work, i would just order the usb programer
buy the time you buy parts and adapter, be same price for programer that you know is gonna work.
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heres what you need for a laptop, and thes gouys are good and ship quick.
http://www.mcumall.com/comersus/store/comersus_viewItem.asp?idProduct=3141
I'll second that. That's the programmer I bought and they did ship quick and were quick to respond when I emailed them a couple times.
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Hey, I was just wondering, I can just put a 14 pin socket on, right? Also, what kind of DB-9 cable do you use, because my moms desktop doesnt have DB-9, i think the lowest count it has is DB-25. Can i use a DB-9 to DB-25 cable? Why cant i just use a DB-9 to usb cable?
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get a db9 pci card for $9.99
you can get the usb adapter but hte 2 i have dont work with a progeamer, just order the usb programmer i linked you to, its cheaper in the long run cause your gonna need a db9 pci card, db9 cable, parts for programmer.
do your self a favor and get a usb programer.
usb programmer $19.07 from a trusted seller, they have a great support forum on their website if you ever have questions or problems.
http://cgi.ebay.com/USB-PIC-programmer-for-Microchip-12F629-40pin-ZIF_W0QQitemZ120298755597QQihZ002QQcategoryZ159680QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1742.m153.l1262 (http://cgi.ebay.com/USB-PIC-programmer-for-Microchip-12F629-40pin-ZIF_W0QQitemZ120298755597QQihZ002QQcategoryZ159680QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1742.m153.l1262)
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I already have a PICstarterKit2 from microchip, This was for my friend, he wants one, and if it was cheap enough, i was gonnna make him one.
How about VGA?
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what software are you guys using with this programmer
nm: used winpic worked fine after i installed porttalk
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glad you got it working
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when i get a programmer am i gona need porttalk?
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ive never needed it,
just be sure to replace the 22h resistor with 2.2, and replace the 1uf cap with a 10uf cap.
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what would this programmer be called? is it a jdm?
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yes, thats a jdm.
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ok thanks
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Does anyone have plans and parts list on how to build a USB programmer like this one.
http://www.mcumall.com/comersus/store/comersus_viewItem.asp?idProduct=3141 (http://www.mcumall.com/comersus/store/comersus_viewItem.asp?idProduct=3141)
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um also i noticed i accidentally used a 5.1 zener diode. will that effect anything?
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yes, 5.1 is fine. its all radio shack carries.
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ok cool
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need some help here.
I built the simpler schematic without the zener diodes.
When i launch winpic, the programmer reports that it has been initialized properly.
However, when i read the chip, it always reports read failed or blank, and when I program the chip, it always fails with verify errors,
Any help here is appreciated.
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This is the circuit I built
One other thing to note is that instead of the 170 mosfet, I substituted the 2n7000. I beleive the datasheets are pretty much identical.
not 100% sure though.
Also, the schematic shows programming a 629, however, I'm using this programmer for a 683. should be fine right ?
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WINPIC messages....
Info: Loading definitions for "PIC12F683" from C:\Program Files\WinPic\devices.ini .
Info: PIC12F683 added and tested by FENG3, 2004-08-22
Info: Device ID in the programming spec was corrected
Info: Some algorithms exchanged by WoBu, 2006-03-01
Info: Similar mods MAY apply to 12F636,16F685..,16F639..
Parsed "C:\Program Files\Microchip\MPLAB IDE\Device\PIC12F683.dev" : found 26 bit combinations in 9 configuration bit groups .
Initialising PIC-Programmer: Success.
Testing: delay(500ms) took 0.50 seconds, timer_freq=3.5795 MHz ... ok
Reading 0x000000 - 0x0007FF ...
Reading 0x002100 - 0x0021FF ...
Reading 0x002000 - 0x002008 ...
Reading PIC FAILED (maybe blank).
Programming...
Erasing ("bulk" or "chip") ...
Programming CODE, 0x000000..0x0000FA
Verifying 0x000000..0x0000FA
Verify Error: 000000: read 003FFF, wanted 002883
Verify Error: 000004: read 003FFF, wanted 0000F0
Verify Error: 000005: read 003FFF, wanted 000803
Verify Error: 000006: read 003FFF, wanted 0000F1
More Verify Errors, unable to list all (total=248)
Programming DATA, 0x002100..0x002107
Verifying 0x002100..0x002107
Verify Error: 002100: read 003FFF, wanted 000000
Verify Error: 002101: read 003FFF, wanted 000001
Verify Error: 002102: read 003FFF, wanted 000000
Verify Error: 002103: read 003FFF, wanted 000000
More Verify Errors, unable to list all (total=8)
Programming CONFIG, 0x002000..0x002007
Verifying 0x002000..0x002007
Verify Error: 002007: read 003FFF, wanted 0030C4
ERROR: Programming FAILED !
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that is the one I use, it works with my desktop.
I had a few troubles getting started, thry these two things, then test all your soldering points
first off, in winpic menu, change the device type to JDG, it wont read this you must manually set it.
second, make sure the file path is less than 26 caracters, (C:allusers/documentsandsettings/desktop/.....etc) I drop the hex on my desktop before I open win pic
thoses were the only two problems I had
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thanks for the response matt.
Not sure if I follow this though, can you eloborate ?
first off, in winpic menu, change the device type to JDG,
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I am at work and dont have winpic here let me start the download, but yes there should be a device tab, jdg is the type of programer.
Sorry, it is JDM not JDG
not cool, I downloaded the spanish version insted of english by mistake, anyway, after that was corrected, do this:
open win pic
click on configuration tab
click on hardware
select JDM programer---(the default is GTP-usb)
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thanks again matt.
So I have that working. When I click read device, it reads the pic ok.
I still cannot program though.
it looks like I'm making progress.
I am operating this with a laptop and usb-> serial
I'm wondering about voltages.
What voltage should I read on the pins of the chip. I'm reading about 4v on pin1 and pin4 6v.
Also, on the mosfet. is the pin out drain, gate, source if we read the schematic left to right ?
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Matt,
can i still order from these guys? i sent them an email and no response.
http://www.atvgc.com/shop/details.php?id=10
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tikboy, I am not sure that site has been up for a while, but you can buy everything you need for this from radio shack
darth, I an not sure, I did not build the usb, but I will test mine when I get home and see what voltage I am getting and report back.
*******question has anyone confirmed this working?? the usb laptop model???I know the serial, pc one works fine************
gameroms, can you chime in here???
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so I didn't get this working with the laptop, but I have a pc at work with a serial port. Hooked it up and the circuit programmed my chip right away.
Something seems off. Maybe it's my usb-> serial adapter.
At least I know that my circuit is built properly now.
Thanks for all the help!!
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good deal, I am not sure anyone has got it working with the laptop. glad you got it working
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Whats up,
I'm going to give this a try and wanted o know if someone can take a good picture of how the wires connect to everything. I'm not sure that I understand the schematic. Thanks and be easy on me I'm very new to all this.
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sure, as long as you pass that 40, wait that was ten years ago, now days we need a cup 2 cups LOL!! I cannot speak for the usb type programmer. and I know a usb to serial adapter wont work. but this works great with a serial port.
***tip for schematics:
when things are drawn on paper its hard to show what conects and what wires pass by each other, when they are usually drawn, the wires that conect are solid threw the intersection (here the conecting intersections are distinguished by red dots) normally when wires just pass over one another the line is not drawn straight through, it looks kind of like this ] a bridge if you will is drawn in over the intersection. in this diagram, the intersections, that are not conections, are just drawn straight through with no red dot. make since??
here are some pics:
back:
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the diagram is fairly straight forward. let me know if you have questions. it is a mess, I threw it together in about 15 mins, not some of my best work by far but it gets the job done.
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Ok... I think I get it know. I'm going to try this out this weekend. Thanks for the help. I have another question. I have 2 12F683 chips that have the old COD4 code on them. Can I just delete the old code and flash a new one on the chip?
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yes. when you write a new code to the chip, it erases the memory first. what code do you have?
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one more ting to look for, the zener, and switching diodes have a certian way they are supposed to go. see the line on the shenatic? that line represents the black line on the diode.
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Ok thanks for the info. As for the code I'm going to use I was going to try the open scource cods here.
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I think I'm going to try this but probably use an enclosure to make it more decent looking. :laughing:
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this a good programmer http://cgi.ebay.com/12F629-12F683-16F84A-16F628A-JDM-PIC-Serial-Programmer_W0QQitemZ200355454404QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item2ea61d9dc4&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A12|66%3A2|39%3A1|72%3A1205|240%3A1318|301%3A0|293%3A1|294%3A50 (http://cgi.ebay.com/12F629-12F683-16F84A-16F628A-JDM-PIC-Serial-Programmer_W0QQitemZ200355454404QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item2ea61d9dc4&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A12|66%3A2|39%3A1|72%3A1205|240%3A1318|301%3A0|293%3A1|294%3A50)?
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just build the one in this thread it works the same
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i know but the parts are spered out over a fair distance
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that one sux, I had one...never worked
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which one treemty? the one that can be built in this thread? it works fine, I use it.
or the one he linked to? yea, I would be leary about ordering that, it looks home made, if thats what you want make it yourself
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sorry guys ive been really busy the past few months and couldnt visit often, but im back and will check in from time to time to answer any questions on this.
1. I never built the usb version so i have no idea.
2. this site is open, but shipping takes forever.
3. the diagrams i posted are for his kit, when i got mine it come with all parts for usb and serial.
http://www.atvgc.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=16&extra=page%3D1 (http://www.atvgc.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=16&extra=page%3D1)
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Hi guys, I just wanted to confirm that the usb powerd version does work. I use this programmer now and i cant say it works 100% but it does code the chips. I am using pic 683's for thsi and they do work. Just felt that i had to clarify this to let you know that it is a working programer
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I could use some help on this:
Built the serial programmer and winpic800 is not detecting the device. I'm running windows 7, not sure if that is the problem, the programmer, or the pic. It tells me it reads it, but it is getting an error while writing (verification fails). I have it set to JDM.
For detect device I get device unknown
For hardware test I get hardware is not responding
thanks
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It may not be properly installed.
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It may not be properly installed.
The software may not be properly installed or the programmer incorrectly assembled?
-I've tried it on 2 machines, not sure how to install it differently. DLing Windows 98 to see if that will help (doubtful).
-I've double/triple checked my assembly, everything seems correct except the pin numbering labeled on the outside of my serial port is not the same as the diagram. But from the pictures in the thread, I have it wired to the same pins as everyone else(I didn't even see the labels on the casing till after I was done).
-Can someone confirm that this programmer/winpic800 work on windows 7?
edit: i'm retarded, wasted 5hrs of my life because I used the wrong pin numbering. Works perfect now(on w7) and FLEX code is working in my xbox controller. Thanks for the great resources here
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i made one , but i cant find pic 08m , 14m and 18x can i use 16f84 as a microcontroler??
Post Merge: September 30, 2010, 10:49:41 AM
:beg: answer ...
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i made one , but i cant find pic 08m , 14m and 18x can i use 16f84 as a microcontroler??
Post Merge: September 30, 2010, 10:49:41 AM
:beg: answer ...
You could just request a free sample of a PIC12F683 I/P from microchip.com lol
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hey could someone be kind and find the parts on http://www.maplin.co.uk/ (http://www.maplin.co.uk/) for me im getting abit of a headache finding these parts when the search does not show what you want/
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get it off ebay probs can get it cheaper what you need and ill find it you now
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il try but i also hate maplin and they dont have 12f683's
-Zener diode - QF47B
-1N4148 - QL80B
- DIP Socket - BL17T
- 10uf Cap - AT98G
- DB9 Connector - RK61R(socket) or RK60Q(plug)
- resistors - http://www.maplin.co.uk/Search.aspx?MenuNo=12459 (http://www.maplin.co.uk/Search.aspx?MenuNo=12459)
i'm assuming you have wire and stuff already though?
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get it off ebay probs can get it cheaper what you need and ill find it you now
i can get it off ebay but to close to christmas im still waiting for my ciss from a week ago but thx anyway
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I went to radio shack and got a little bit of the parts, they didn't have all of them, then i noticed this all was in 08.. lol but i assume it should still work? does it matter what the wattage is of the resistors? and if the capacitors are disc capacitors or the other bigger ones?
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I went to radio shack and got a little bit of the parts, they didn't have all of them, then i noticed this all was in 08.. lol but i assume it should still work? does it matter what the wattage is of the resistors? and if the capacitors are disc capacitors or the other bigger ones?
did you check these numbers?
1 -- 276-565 -- 5.1V ZENER DIODE -- $1.39 -- QTY 3
1 -- 276-1122 -- 1N4148 SWITCHING DIODE -- $1.49 -- QTY 5
2 -- 272-1025 -- 10UF CAP -- $1.19 -- QTY 1
1 -- 271-1325 -- 2.2K OHM RESISTOR -- $0.99 -- QTY 5
1 -- 271-1335 -- 10K OHM RESISTOR -- $0.99 -- QTY 5
1 -- 271-1339 -- 22K OHM RESISTOR -- $0.99 -- QTY 5
1 -- 276-1995 -- 8-PIN SOCKET -- $0.69 -- QTY 2
1 -- 276-148 -- PROJECT BOARD -- $1.99 -- QTY 2
TOTAL: $9.72 PLUS TAX
I use a 1/4 watt resistor as listed , i have use 1/2 watt resistors
as for the capacitors use the cylinder type . if one radio shack doesn't have them you can always buy off ebay or try another radio shack.
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i went to another radioshack and i have everything except the capacitors, i cant use the disc ones?
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i made this programmer a month or so ago, its working great for me. you may get away with the disk capacitors but dont hold me to that.
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are you using USB to serial adapter or did you buy a card?
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using a usb adapter caused me all manner of problems, its works great just using a serial cable and connecting it to my comm port on my pc.
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my mobo doesnt have a com port :( and the PCI cards are expensive, the mobo has a spot on the inside and it says JCOM but im not sure if that is the same thing.
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is it 9 pin? same fitting as a comm port?
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noo, its not the one on the back, i know what that one is, im talking about on the INSIDE on the mobo itself, not coming out of the back, it looks like a USB hub where you hook in the extra USBs that your case has, but instead of saying USB1 or whatever it says JCOM1
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is it an msi mobo? You need to have a Serial COM bracket with the correct 9-pin assignment connection to use it as a comm port.
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YES it is lol! MSI 785GT-E63 and i was looking at it, its $9.99
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its definately worth buying one. i have found that programmers work best through comm ports as the usb programmers i have tried and read about are nothing but aggro.
oh and if you consider getting a programmer from ebay be very careful as there are a lot of dodgy chinese knock offs that dont work, i have fallen victim to one of these knock off sellers.
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so if i got that card it would work in the JCOM port?
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yes it should do. from what i have been reading online and from what my friend tells me once the card is installed you can just mount it on the pc case and use it as a regular com port, you may be able to get a card with multiple comm ports if needed.
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yeah i can mount it, i built my comp, i just didnt know that port would work as a com port even though it says jcom haha
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thats cool, i built my rig too. i am not sure but i think the j in jcom is for java, not sure why though.
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it is, well atleast thats what someone told me