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http://blogs.technet.com/msrc/archive/2009/02/12/conficker-activity-update.aspx (http://blogs.technet.com/msrc/archive/2009/02/12/conficker-activity-update.aspx)
http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/null/128643/beware-conficker-worm-come-april-1/ (http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/null/128643/beware-conficker-worm-come-april-1/)
DO NOT LET THIS TURN IN TO A FLAME WAR/ WHOS BETTER THAN WHO/ A I CAN TOP U FEST
if it does the subject will be deleted and so will every other conficker subject!!!
if yall wanna fight do it on msn
keep it off the fourms
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thank you!
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Thanks bro.
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im just gonna keep my pc off and unplugged from the internet
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It will be interesting to see what happens with this worm on april 1 and if the creator(s) get caught
I should be fine with my eee and ubuntu though :winker:
Good luck to winblows users
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I should be fine with my eee and ubuntu though :winker:
thats exactly what i was thinking...just my freshly installed ubuntu wont boot...=[
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im just gonna keep my pc off and unplugged from the internet
same
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Ugh FINE what is so import bout Linux? this virus is gonna attck Mac's too what makes you think it's won't on Linux?
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Linux FTW
(in this case)
And no, it won't affect Macs.
it relies on an exploit in svchost.exe to get on, a buffer overflow.
Not to mention, Macs don't run Windows apps native, so it just wont happen
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*sigh*
So everyone here is gonna get unbutu? do I really need it if I have a firewall and a long pass and disconnect from the internet and unplug my PC??
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I already have it.
You don't really. If you've been relatively smart about what you do, and have good protection, then you should be fine.
We're taking extra precautions, and being lazy.
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some/most of us here already have a form of linux.
and darkshot, it relies on a emergency windows updater that was started in oct 2008, not svchost.
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I only am running Windows Vista 32-bit am I ok? I have Kespersky.
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I should get some linux on my thumb drive but I'm lazy :(
Like he said Elite, as long as you have been careful and are assure that you have all ur antivirus working, u should be fine.
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Liek you said to I'm really lazy and I don't want to screw up my PC, I am tech savvy but I just never messed with OS's cause I never had to but I know pretty much everything else.
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well your gtx 9800 wont help you out much here.
justins right, just keep an eye on your AV and you should be (for the most part) safe
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Dude, CALM DOWN omg you're gonna be fine. Stop freaking out.
Linux can't be attacked because for a virus to do anything, it would need root access. You can only gain root access through terminal, which only the user can do.
Even with root access, virus' can do little harm on a linux box.
Now, regarding this crap. CALM DOWN. You're gonna be fine. Just keep your AV and Firewall up and you should be fine. You don't need linux. Most people here already have it, and are just going to use that until this dies down. I for one am going to boot into Ubuntu because I've been too lazy until now to use it, and I've got to fix some things up anyway.
If you're that worried about it, back everything up regularly and keep those backups safe in case you're infected and your whole life's progress gets decimated in the virus' wake.
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im still wonderingg why my ubuntu wont boot. it goes to the boot menu, i choose ubuntu. it flashes something quick. then goes back to the boot menu....it runs with xp but i cant get it to boot into ubuntu...any ideas?
and kicks, thanks for describing how ubuntu is safer, cuz i had no idea how to word it.
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*Sigh*
It's Time to turn off my computer and go outside =[
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God damn, how do you get that smart to make a virus where even M$ is packing their pants....if we don't download anything we won't get infected right ? unless it starts a background download without us knowing...time to pop out good old wolvix...Linux FTW
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*Sigh*
It's Time to turn off my computer and go outside =[
ugh... or i could read that book for english i was supposed to read this break :/
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ok just to make you guys feel better - i have spoken to the server company and im assured they keep 7 days of backup and they also say that there servers wont be affected directly by the worm unless a DDOS attack is used
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some/most of us here already have a form of linux.
and darkshot, it relies on a emergency windows updater that was started in oct 2008, not svchost.
What you're talking about is the fix. I did make a mistake though. I meant the worm needed a specific service exploit to get on the computer and spread.
From Wkikpedia:
"The Conficker worm spreads itself primarily through a buffer overflow vulnerability in the Server Service on Windows computers. The worm uses a specially crafted RPC request to execute code on the target computer."
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ok so will my plan work?
take the dsl modem out on the 29 and put it back on like on the 2 or 3rd?
lets see what happens when i turn on the computer on the 2nd or 3rd XD
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ok so will my plan work?
In short: no.
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So that was what was wrong with my computer before I done a system restore... Conficker! Never even heard of it, I don't know why, Most worms I have heard of because there aren't many of them.
God I hate Worm coders.
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i have no antivirus
YAY
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Lemme guess.
Mac or Linux.
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I am soo excited, I want to see how many ppl at school r going to be askin me to fix it...maybe I should let it infect my lappy jsut to see what happens
(BTW I paid $25 for my lappy so idfc about it)
Yeah, but I mainly use mac 89% of the time, then comes windows then like 5% linux
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It's really annoying how dumb people can be.
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It's really annoying how dumb people can be.
I am guessing that is aimed at me :D
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OMG I agree with Kicks...
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I am soo excited, I want to see how many ppl at school r going to be askin me to fix it...maybe I should let it infect my lappy jsut to see what happens
(BTW I paid $25 for my lappy so idfc about it)
Yeah, but I mainly use mac 89% of the time, then comes windows then like 5% linux
lol me to, i had some random girl ask me how to fix a mac :D.
I told her i dont know about macs and shes like well can u fix it.......I did
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what is the problem with this conficker virus?
i read about it etc.. i just don't get the whole problem xD what does it do ?
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If you're infected, on april 1st it will supposedly contact the main computer and do something.. Could be an update to the virus that causes further damage, all computers could be used for DOS attacks, etc. Thing is, nobody is sure.
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Indeed.
And it is a nasty little bugger.
I think me frand has it on his PC, so I got him to do a scan.
I am curious about what it will do, but I will be smart and instead, just read about what happens on the first.
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and what if it's a april 1st joke from microsoft?
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LOl dd i thought the same thing as you maybe they just want you guys to go out and buy new AnitVirus
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I am soo excited, I want to see how many ppl at school r going to be askin me to fix it...maybe I should let it infect my lappy jsut to see what happens
GENIUS!!! I should make an ad lol... or on monday, i should log onto a bunch of computers at my school and INFECT THEM!!! bwahahahaha...
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You people are idiots.
I hope you realize you can't just go on a computer and magically "infect" it. God damn.
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GENIUS!!! I should make an ad lol... or on monday, i should log onto a bunch of computers at my school and INFECT THEM!!! bwahahahaha...
and then get fined or imprisoned for criminal damage and possibly depending how strict your area are possibly try and spin it as terrorism charges - i can see the headline - "Young Terrorist Trys to Take Down School District - Ruin Childrens Lives" lol its funny how media can stretch stuff out of proportion but it can still happen
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Dearest One
From Blessing Awa
Thanks for your mail, I got your mail in a wonderful day
and a happy day which I will like you to be seriose with
me ,It gives me the greatest joy to read from you.
Sometimes, life certainly can feel that way and what
better shelter from the storms and trials of daily life
than friendship and to know that there is someone out
there you can fall back on.
I'm 21years old and a high school leaving certificate
holder and the only daugther of my late parents Mr.and
Mrs.Awa Firstly, my father was a highly reputable
bussiness
magnate-(a cocoa merchant) who operated in the capital of
Ivory coast during his days It is sad to say that he
passed away mysteriously in France during one of his
business trips abroad year 12th.Feb. 2008.Though his
sudden death was linked or rather suspected to have been
masterminded by an uncle of his who travelled with him at
that time.But God knows the truth!
My mother died when I was just 11 years old,and since then
my father took me so special. Before his death on Febuary
12 2008 he called the secretary who accompanied him to the
hospital and told her that he had a sum of $4.5 million US
DOLLARS (four million five hundred thousand USD)deposited
in Bank here in Abidjan, Ivory Coast.
He also said he used my name to Deposit the fund with the
Bank as his only daughter, as well as the next of kin to
the fund. He also explained to me that it was because of
this wealth that he was poisoned by his business
assocaites, That I should seek for a foreign partner in a
country of my choice where I will transfer this money to
and use it for investment purposes.
I want you to assist me in transfering this fund into your
account overseas as a beneficiary of the fund,and also use
it for an investment purpose.
Really I don't know what to do. Now I want you help me so
I can transfer this funds.
This is because I have suffered a lot of set backs as a
result of incessant political crisis here in Ivory coast.
The death of my father actually brought sorrow to my life,
Presently I'm in Abidjan.
Dearest one,I am in a sincere desire of your humble
assistance in this regards Your suggestions and ideas will
be highly regarded.
Now permit me to ask these few questions:-
1. Can you honestly help me?
2. Can I completely trust you?
3. What percentage of the total amount in question will be
good for you after the money is retrived?
Please,Consider this and get back to me as soon as
possible.
Thank you so much.
Yours,
Miss Blessing.
Crap... I just got an email like that. I opened it cause i was going through all my mail and was auto-opening everything.. Anyways sounds like one of those money scam things, but im also wondering.. could it be embedded with a virus? It has no attachments or anything but you never know...
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Worms FTW.. also I be protected either way. Woot for endpoint. which reminds me I need to install it on another PC..
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anyone know how big this worm is? over 2gbs of my storage went missing for the past 3 days...
and i havent dled anything yet or my sisters uploaded their pics.
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It's not going to eat memory.
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You people are idiots.
I hope you realize you can't just go on a computer and magically "infect" it. God damn.
ummm...
1. torrent sites aren't blocked at my school
2. I have utorrent on a flash drive
3. I'm sure that someone has a ridiculous file on thepiratebay with the "C" virus.
and then get fined or imprisoned for criminal damage and possibly depending how strict your area are possibly try and spin it as terrorism charges - i can see the headline - "Young Terrorist Trys to Take Down School District - Ruin Childrens Lives" lol its funny how media can stretch stuff out of proportion but it can still happen
XD yeah, i've heard similar during my suspensions from my principal... I'm his "little terrorist"... but i was jk either way, anything that could potentially cost money is anything i won't do for lolz.
Crap... I just got an email like that. I opened it cause i was going through all my mail and was auto-opening everything.. Anyways sounds like one of those money scam things, but im also wondering.. could it be embedded with a virus? It has no attachments or anything but you never know...
you're safe as long as you didn't press links :D
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ummm...
1. torrent sites aren't blocked at my school
2. I have utorrent on a flash drive
3. I'm sure that someone has a ridiculous file on thepiratebay with the "C" virus.
you're safe as long as you didn't press links :D
Torrent sites have nothing to do with this. Stop talking whilst you still can. You don't know what you're talking about.
Second, not necessarily. Some virus' can be embedded in emails, if I remember correctly.
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Torrent sites have nothing to do with this. Stop talking whilst you still can. You don't know what you're talking about.
they aren't specifically related, but torrent files are breeding grounds for viruses
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Torrent sites have nothing to do with this. Stop talking whilst you still can. You don't know what you're talking about.
Second, not necessarily. Some virus' can be embedded in emails, if I remember correctly.
:censored:.... ill be pissed if im infected.
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just by opening them you get this no way cuz i get tones of those emails asking for my banking and address... so on but i delete them all
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anyone know how big this worm is? over 2gbs of my storage went missing for the past 3 days...
and i havent dled anything yet or my sisters uploaded their pics.
it will be your pagefile.sys or hiberfil.sys files that are taking that up on is used for virtual ram and the other is used for storing your ram ready to restore it when you hibernate your machine
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You know, I'm not even going to bother anymore.
Have fun letting your computer suck itself off. I'm gonna go torrent some nice crap.
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you guys are all stupid.
this like like you tell one dude you have hide a bom in a school and the next day the whole world knows it.
same with this...
its so overrated, guys get a life!
if its a virus you will find out, if not you will find out to...lol
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Yea but i REALLY dont wanna have to reformat my HDD... has a lot of important files on there.
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i got 3 laptops than sync every evening and have the same stuff on it
ubuntu/vista home 64bit and xp home
soill think ill take the unbuntu one to school jsut to be sure
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Deda This isn't Just some Worm... This one is a Very well coded masterpiece. If it indeed does what the code says a lot of people are gonna be S*out of Luck. I would Love to claim it as my own. But Ha ha I would Never use a PC to do this kind of owning.
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Second, not necessarily. Some virus' can be embedded in emails, if I remember correctly.
Yeah, thats true, although if you use a web based email like gmail or hotmail instead of using outlook or thunder, it pretty much cuts down the risk to 0.01%
(Like, the only way to get infected via gmail would be to open an infected attachment or open a link)
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Yeah, thats true, although if you use a web based email like gmail or hotmail instead of using outlook or thunder, it pretty much cuts down the risk to 0.01%
(Like, the only way to get infected via gmail would be to open an infected attachment or open a link)
What about infected images that are embedded?
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What about infected images that are embedded?
O.O that means any image like sigs on forums could do this O.O
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Oh snap... Oh well, there wasnt any images, but im doing a scan anyway. Its scanning my comp, then my backup drive. So it knows that theres nothing on my backup and if i lose everything ill still have that.
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im just going to like like not get on my computer and even disconnect my lan
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I just don't get why don't people set their computers date AHEAD of time that way it's like april 4 or something and then set it back to when it's over
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Because it will be using internet time i already tried acitvating mine by puting my date and time on april 1 and it didn't do anything
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I just don't get why don't people set their computers date AHEAD of time that way it's like april 4 or something and then set it back to when it's over
Yea im pretty sure it will activate by the clock on the HQ computer.
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I Will Be responsible for all the chaos plzz dont call Microsoft on me Lol (So How Are We Supose To Find Out When Teh Worm End If Some Ppl Will Unplug There Pc's)
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I Will Be responsible for all the chaos plzz dont call Microsoft on me Lol (So How Are We Supose To Find Out When Teh Worm End If Some Ppl Will Unplug There Pc's)
You're joking, right? This thing's infected MILLIONS of computers. You're not funny, either.
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Even If It Was Me What Would You Do You Just A Little American I am Russian .
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It doesn't matter what country your from. You can get infected just as easily as everyone else.
Get over your god complex.
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Even If It Was Me What Would You Do You Just A Little American I am Russian .
yeah like kicks said....your not safer then us just cuz you say your russian.....hell...im italian/irish/scotish, that doesnt make me safe from this thing.
and we dont know how we will find out when it attacks if EVERYONE unplugs their computer. seeing as EVERYBODY never said they were going to unplug themselves, at leaast a few people out of the millions will never know.
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Even If It Was Me What Would You Do You Just A Little American I am Russian .
lol
wow fail
well boys and girls
theres only gonna be one way to find out
stay tuned till wensday
and dont turn this into a flame war plz
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Wow this will be chaos on wednesday... I can see it now. It will either be "The largest rickroll in the history of the world" or "Largest DOS attack ever"... Either way it shall be epic.
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"Largest DOS attack ever"
that would be HORRIBLE for the internet seeing as over millions of sites are infected (and rising over 50k more per day)
but yes, this will be very epic.
im just loling at the people who are doubting this is anything.
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Hey I Just Hope MySpace Crashes Since Lots Of Idiots Would Kill Them Selves It Would Be So Funny :huh: :huh:
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Hey I Just Hope MySpace Crashes Since Lots Of Idiots Would Kill Them Selves It Would Be So Funny :huh: :huh:
yeah....i doubt anyone would kill them selves over myspace crashing for a few days...
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yeah....i doubt anyone would kill them selves over myspace crashing for a few days...
Never doubt the stupidity of the human race or the internet... =D
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Well It shall be epic. this reminds me of "THE RUSSIAN" from Punisher
Even If It Was Me What Would You Do You Just A Little American I am Russian .
Bullets are Like Mosquito to THE RUSSIAN. lulz anyways. Worms are Win Either way it will be a Good Day for IE the Coder of the Worm. or the user base. we shall see. As of today. I have yet to find a variant of Conficker. .A .B .C .D On my systems. So all is Good here.. Also I say Ebay is gonna be Hit with a DOS. Along with E Trade and a few Other major players.. I will Laugh at the panic on the news or will laugh at the Biggest Epic Fail.
When Nothing Happens I want to See A lot of images of Conficker.Worm.A/.B/.C/.D/...ect Face Palms! Or The sites DOS attacked. It should be quite a funny thread.
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vista - c:\windows\rundll32\conflicker.c has found an error and cannot run XD
that would be hilarious.
or
a program is trying to modify one or multiple files on your computer
program name: conflicker.c
allow or deny
this shall be epic
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Well we'll just have to wait and see, guys.
Hey I Just Hope MySpace Crashes Since Lots Of Idiots Would Kill Them Selves It Would Be So Funny :huh: :huh:
Like I said earlier, you're not funny in the slightest bit.
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honestly
i would lol if myspace went under
stupid tom
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So I decided to run that Live scanner.
So far it's detected something...it better not be this thing.
Just a thought, but in vista, what if you converted your account to a regular user (as opposed to admin) and enabled UAC? Wouldn't it not be able to run?
Wow. I re-read that and I'm so wrong. XD Nice thought, though.
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Heh, comon conflicker, do your worse....
You cant take my pc down... And even if you did, my HDD is backed up :D and I have loads of windoz disks
Maybe since its on April 1st, it will either just be a super rick roll, or it will come up saying "HAHA, WE FOOLED U! APRIL FOOLS PARANOID NOOBS!!" or something similiar to those
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this is such BS...rofl
i cant wait till tomorrow
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maybe it is a just a sxare to freak everyone out and idk you think the fbi would be on this if it was that bad..
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LOL what if its a way to catch all the pirates... YAARR we shall see when it happens. also I want to see them Facepalm images.
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So no worm was found on my laptop. Sweet deal. I'm ready for this. Won't do anything to me.
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Yep same here :D
Quite pleased.
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So no worm was found on my laptop. Sweet deal. I'm ready for this. Won't do anything to me.
yeh your lappy. what about friends that come to your home. or what about the USB flash drive that you use at school. or at a friends house.. lol Be careful. also I know how to manually remove Variant .C So Looks as if I'm gonna be making Bank of peoples Misfortunes. Man If this Goes well (meaing Very Bad) I will be making so much money its not even funny. I already got 10emails today about W32/Conficker.Worm .A/.B/.C
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only a couple more hours :dribble:
1 hour for me :D
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only a couple more hours :dribble:
1 hour for me :D
w00t
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w00t
15 more minutes :D
hahahaha this is going to be so much fun :D
edit:
nothing :P xD now time for bed :P
let's check back tomorrow :D
*loves no anti virus on his PC :D
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lol i love april fools on the internet
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maybe its not april first where the main server is yet....
cuz its still tuesday march31 on the east coast here. only 7:44 pm.
so if hes in like california its only like 4:45 pm....still like 8 hours
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i doubt they will do it at the stroke of midnite as that would make the search for them a hell of a lot easyier as it would basically tell you what itmezone the person is in.
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yeh your lappy. what about friends that come to your home. or what about the USB flash drive that you use at school. or at a friends house..
Erm, what? I checked the 3 laptops in the house and nothing. No friends bring anything over. I don't use my flash drive.
:D
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nothin on uk side and ive been downloading torrents like :censored: but hey Norton is cool lol and Nettools five ill give them a trace hehe if i get anything done on me lol doubt ill get hit but :censored: em if they wanna go lets go hehe :huh: :w00t: :rofl: :victory: :hifive:
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remmember itll set off on the master computers time
not urs
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might not even start at midnight for there time. he/she could have it set to start at 5am 7am or any other time for that matter.
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I installed winblows xp on a spare hard drive that I had lying around to see what this conficker will do lol
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1st april here
nothing happe ning
boooooooooring
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11.35pm here at California still nothing
is this virus even real?
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11.35pm here at California still nothing
is this virus even real?
well Symantec, McAfee, Trend Micro...ect they all think its a very real threat. Don't worry tho You should be fine.
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Sooo.....anything happened to anyone yet ?
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not yet...
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15:00 here still nothig
who believed = tards
who didnt believe = lets party at my house
lols
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shouldnt have watched porn...
jk, nothing yet. now im pissed. no computer i gotta fix >=(
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2:54pm here in Connecticut, and im scanning my moms computer to see if theres anything there....so far ive seen nothing yet today.
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just read most of this
http://blogs.computerworld.com/conficker_c_activation_passes_quietly (http://blogs.computerworld.com/conficker_c_activation_passes_quietly)
and it seems like its going to be a slower process that takes a bit of time to finish, so stuff mightve happened just very few of us have been hit if any.
seemed like we were more ready for it this time
"MEN, MAN YOUR ANTI-VIRUS CANNONS"
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lol i dont even use anti virus software. i can do pretty much the same manualy as it can do, and i dont have any annnoying stuff come up every time i start my computer.
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Hmm, so Stealth, are you able to scan files for viruses, and block incoming threats? WOW!!!!
Yeah nothing has happened yet... But it will be epic when something does.
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Hmm, so Stealth, are you able to scan files for viruses, and block incoming threats? WOW!!!!
yeah. you didnt know a human brain could scan ove 100k files everyday and know that their safe???
but i have a feeling this are already happening just very silently and slowly
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yeah. you didnt know a human brain could scan ove 100k files everyday and know that their safe???
but i have a feeling this are already happening just very silently and slowly
They're*
=D
I hope this was all a joke. I'd laugh so hard.
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nice a big screen that says april fools and i kno i cant get it cuz im using ubuntu..
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http://www.webstandards.org/2009/04/01/purpose-of-conficker-worm-uncovered/ (http://www.webstandards.org/2009/04/01/purpose-of-conficker-worm-uncovered/)
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2344198,00.asp (http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2344198,00.asp)
a few more links i found about it.
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WIN!
however, a message found by I2SecC researchers in an online forum believed to be from the worm’s creator or a close associate hints that it will: “your document.all are belong to us.”
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however, a message found by I2SecC researchers in an online forum believed to be from the worm’s creator or a close associate hints that it will: “your document.all are belong to us.”
WIN!
AGREED!! THAT IS EPIC
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Windows Vista is technically vulnerable in this way, but the exploit is almost impossible to execute on it. Conficker is basically an XP problem.
Sweet.
AGREED!! THAT IS EPIC
No, no it's not. It was an april fools joke, that article. That's not epic, funny, or anything of the sort..
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not even going to respond to you
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good thin im running linux
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its not real. it was a joke
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good thin im running linux
i think booting up linux was almost too much precaution...ive been running computers with either xp home (moms lappy) or xp pro (school) with absolutly no problems. and just as an fyi, ive been doing my normal downloads, torrents, limewire, virus scanners, etc.
and stealth, if you read the second one i posted, its not fake/joke. its real, its just working a lot slower then we thought it would be and isnt exposing itself like many of you expected it to
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Sweet.
No, no it's not. It was an april fools joke, that article. That's not epic, funny, or anything of the sort..
(https://acidmods.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Fprofile%2Fpic.php%3Fuid%3DAAAAAQAQ5yL5YKHV0P325jV0cZZ8aQAAAAroLXQKTUdEw-Wi37BGxpbP&hash=f0f59aa3d2a96a6285754553b7c8eea750268c19)
buzz killington over here
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lol i hit reply and some orange screen came up saying something like "Omg you killed. lazy bum" is that acidmod's april fools day prank er what.
Anyway's the conficker worm, seeing as though it IS april fool's day could, most likely, be a hoax.
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i doubt all the biggest world-wide anti-virus companies would be in on this.... So it has to be SOMETHING. And yes, that big orange screen is AM's April fools joke D: a bad one.
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And yes, that big orange screen is AM's April fools joke D: a bad one.
ive heard this from a few people now.
and i still havent gotten it
but yet ill probbly get it when i post this.
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nope no orange screen
and yeah, i agree with justin, that if all AV copanies were making a big deal out of it, along with the news, etc. it has to be something.
here:
http://vil.nai.com/vil/default.aspx (http://vil.nai.com/vil/default.aspx)
its the mcafee threat center site, look on there for the past versions of conficker, its proof that its real. and then you can search for the new one conficker.c
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It is real, I could not access microsofts site, windows updates or even any anti virus sites. I found one that wasnt blocked and it actually found it and removed it thankfully
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Wow. I don't have it, thankfully. =]
What's this screen thing?
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Yea it is real.
It's just really messed.
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Well looks like I safe so far, nothing unusual happeneing on my PC. I'm glad I did nots get it :D
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Oh no i wasn't denying the existence of the worm, just the fact that it's going to be a major hardrive wiper.
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WTH WAS THAT ORANGE SCREEN!? Was that something you guys did AM?! or do I have it!?!?!?!? Adminds don't lie I'm freak'in out :sadno: :sadno: :sadno: :beg:
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LOL it was a prank by AM
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Lol funny but cruel would have not minded it any other year but with all the talk of this worm this year it made me freak out lol you guys >_>
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lmfao dont worry i almst :censored: my pants too when i saw that, thinking acidmods was a targeted url.
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/headline/biz/6354562.html (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/headline/biz/6354562.html)
[Seems to have past, but don't be too sure, my comp crashed on me.]
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(https://acidmods.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi92.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fl13%2Ftreemty%2FSnapshot2009-04-0119-17-50.jpg&hash=a11af7a76180db1f5b13c17db9b2e950946780d8)
(https://acidmods.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi92.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fl13%2Ftreemty%2FSnapshot2009-04-0119-19-31-2.jpg&hash=0f782d787a1216575bbfbe7ac018a73ed1013552)