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Title: Relay Circuit Help
Post by: SixtyninNaMoose on September 18, 2012, 12:54:56 PM
I need help making a relay circuit for my speech recognition device. The device has 10 9v output pins which gives continuous current. I need the current to be converted to 1-3v momentary current for wiring to xbox buttons. I need it to switched closed for only 1/10sec or less. I bought my speech module from imagesco, they sell a relay separably but it cost more than the speech module. Relays seem pretty simple. can you guys help me?

would this work? http://www.oldradio.com/current/cont2mom.htm (http://www.oldradio.com/current/cont2mom.htm)

or this?
http://www.the12volt.com/relays/page5.asp#ctm (http://www.the12volt.com/relays/page5.asp#ctm)

also i was looking at the relay from imagescohttp://www.imagescompany.com/pdf/sri-02.pdf and noticed something.
the output current jumps to a 160k ohm resistor to a 100k ohm resistor to a 1N4007 diode to a 2N3904 transistor and finally to the 5v relays. The math is to confusing but its seems thats it's possible to duplicate it? Can you explain whats happening in this circuit?
Title: Re: Relay Circuit Help
Post by: SethMods on September 19, 2012, 07:29:44 PM
I really think your best bet to change a continuous signal into just a pulse is going to be to wire it through a PIC.

You can take the 9V down to whatever voltage you need with a simple voltage divider (2 appropriately matched resistors). Then have a simple program that pulses on a change.

I'm still a little confused on that part. I get that when you say "A Button-On" that the voice recognition goes live with that signal. But to get it to activate again do you have to say "A Button-Off" and then "A Button-On" again? Or do you program it to toggle where one command changes it back and forth from high to low each time?

If I am understanding correctly then something like this could be written for a PIC in about 15 minutes.
Title: Re: Relay Circuit Help
Post by: SixtyninNaMoose on September 19, 2012, 09:54:47 PM
I'm not exactly sure either. the way the manual is written, it doesn't say. I emailed the company, if I hear nothing by morning i'll use the meter and see whats up
Title: Re: Relay Circuit Help
Post by: SixtyninNaMoose on September 20, 2012, 12:03:58 PM
ok the company replied. when a word is spoken the voltage goes high to the assigned pin and stays high until a new word is spoken. You can not switch the pin to low, you can only change which pin goes high.
Title: Re: Relay Circuit Help
Post by: SethMods on September 21, 2012, 12:06:52 AM
Ok, then I would definitely recommend using a PIC then.

With a PIC you can easily push the buttton on a change vs only when the pin goes high.

So you say "jump" and the pin on the module goes high. The PIC interprets a change and pulses to press the "A" button. You say "jump" again and the pin goes low. The PIC again interprets a change and pulses to press the "A" button.
Title: Re: Relay Circuit Help
Post by: SixtyninNaMoose on September 21, 2012, 02:07:53 AM
oh ok, I'm getting what your saying. So by using a pic, every time i say "jump" the button will get a pulse. High or low, it doesn't matter because the pic will convert the continuous  current into a pulse. As far as the voltage goes, all you need to do is reduce the output voltage with properly rated resistors.

So easy would it be to program a pic to do this? Will each output pin require it's own pic or can 1 pic be used for all 10 pins?
Title: Re: Relay Circuit Help
Post by: SethMods on September 22, 2012, 04:10:50 PM
Yeah, one PIC can do it all.

...assuming it has enough pins.
Title: Re: Relay Circuit Help
Post by: SixtyninNaMoose on September 22, 2012, 11:20:30 PM
Can you hook me up with the coding or do you know someone that might? I know I could post a thread but if possible I want the most direct rout. I can put everything together, just need code & help picking the right pic to get.
Title: Re: Relay Circuit Help
Post by: SethMods on September 23, 2012, 01:27:39 PM
Yeah, that's not a problem.

Do you need all 10? If not, I have a great chip in mind that can do 8.
Title: Re: Relay Circuit Help
Post by: SixtyninNaMoose on September 23, 2012, 09:22:35 PM
8 is fine, what you got?
Title: Re: Relay Circuit Help
Post by: SethMods on September 24, 2012, 10:46:37 AM
Actually I mis-spoke.

I was thinking about using the Max because it is already setup, and if worse comes to worst then we can always reprogram it via USB.

But with the way that I have it setup we could only do 5.

Why don't we use that and just use two of them?

How soon did you need these? I know you have a lot of other projects going on.
Title: Re: Relay Circuit Help
Post by: SixtyninNaMoose on September 24, 2012, 12:49:07 PM
Well I kinda fudged up on my mod off, the left trigger is stuck on and I just can't figure it out. So all I'm doing now is the voice controller & figuring the trigger out. Besides that i'm looking to be done by end of mod off.
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