Are you satisfied with the way your country/countries are currently being run?

[Slim Hacker]

Aren't you already the country with the largest amount of debt...

LOL idk the way were goin e will be in about...oh look were the most now LOL well I'm not sure I'll be joining people in Canada soon the way is going.

[robin1989]

all countrys have crappy governments in certain areas but you americans out of all the crap have the least crappy government and obama is atleast trying to move forward and fix all the that bush jr did just to try and impress daddy.

[802Chives]

all countrys have crappy governments in certain areas but you americans out of all the crap have the least crappy government and obama is atleast trying to move forward and fix all the that bush jr did just to try and impress daddy.

LOL... if moving forward means ending up like Cuba or China.... you can keep the change

[blackburn]

LOL... if moving forward means ending up like Cuba or China.... you can keep the change

yeah especially with the new health care system. Its gunna fall harder than a fat .. lol People said that one day America would fall to Socialism, and Obama is the one making it happen.

No thanks, but he can pry my weapons from my cold dead hands as I'm not giving them up for ANYTHING. You can keep your change Barak Obama....

[robin1989]

i agree that he shouldn't be able to take your weapons as that is your right to as long as you use them properly. and there are some benefits to a government run health care system. i on several occasions have spoken to members on this forum when they have been ill and when i have said why not go the doctors or the hospital as i would in this country and they say they cant afford it or there premiums would go up. if they were to have a government run health care system it would mean healthcare would be accessible by all people be it old young rich or poor and without the worry of been made bankrupt because of something out of there control also having a government run system doesn't stop the private healthcare systems it just adds sever competition which i think would be a good thing as it would make healthcare in the states more affordable for private  care.

if i lived in america i would much prefer a president like obama or clinton over bush as at least they are literate and at least have some brain cells - my personal opinion is that bush was just a 8 year joke and a great source of material for comedians.

[~:Dhruv:~]

if i lived in america i would much prefer a president like obama or clinton over bush as at least they are literate and at least have some brain cells - my personal opinion is that bush was just a 8 year joke and a great source of material for comedians.

+1

[802Chives]

robin,  you raise an excellent point, however you need to call Obama and tell him that, as he wants a single pay health care system that has very little planned for private providers. 

Now imagine a classroom that everone all gets the same grade depending on average of the classes performance.  At first your class average is a B, but as people figure out that other members of the class are doing little or nothing for the B grade, and the ones that are working hard to maintain that average are going to work a little less on the next test because why should they carry everone?  Now you have a classroom full of people relying on other people in order to achieve greatness, yet there is no incentive to do that, thus the class is full of failures even tho some of them are good enough or smart enough to individually get an A+.

If you compare the health care system to that classroom, you will see advances in science and medicine go right out the window.  There will be no extroidinary doctors as they will go where they will be paid for the effort they put forth.  It gets real messy real fast as you follow the chain down the line to countries that rely on cutting edge break throughs in science in order have a healthy population.  the way I see it America's health care system could have global impacts much beyound just the care that americans recieve as we are on the cutting edge of medicine and breakthroughs in the US today could impact the rest of the world tommorow.

Dont get me wrong probably if someone else paid for my healthcare I would not be working for someone else, I would work for my self, and many small businesses would have an opportunity to grow or even start.  The economical implications could be great, and would punch corporate america right in the face, however I dont see it being good for healthcare, and that will have economical implications in itself as it is a major piece of the both the US economy as well as the worlds.

Bush may very well have been a clown, but people have to understand that the president is merely a puppet for the people that get them elected, and those people are not common citizens.  If you look deeply into the some of the problems that bush had to face during his administration, you will see slick willy sitting right there at the root of many of those problems.  The clinton administration destroyed the industrial infrastructure in this county, and if you will notice the roster for the current administration, you will see a lot of familiar faces.  The red side of things destroyed the finanancial infrasturcture, so neither side is doing anything that helps this country, yet corporate profits continue to rise reguardless of who is president. 

Whether its a red thing or a blue thing, i dont think that it really matters as the people in charge are always in charge and they arent red or blue, they are green$$.

[Bhawan]

@ 802chives, thats kinda how Canada works there are people who are just chillax and do nothing their whole lives and claim employment insurance and get free health care ... yaayyy for them but others who spend their whole days doing hard jobs and some even do 2 different jobs a day what about them? they have their hard earned $$$ taken away cause of stupid taxes that pay for keeping stupid worthless people happy.  The provinces here have way too much control, they impose their own taxes own prices and everything, somewhat like do whatever they want.  The province of quebec is even more messed up, they impose their own laws that make it compulsary for people who move there(from other countries) to have to go to french speaking schools. like wtf ?? what if someone is like the smartest person in the whole school but doesn't know french? his or her schooling is screwed right? I moved from India to here when I was 13 (gonna get to that in a moment too), I used to go to a catholic school grew up speaking english(without the typical indian accent) and I was supposed to go to grade 9 when i came here,,, but these stupid  @$$%$$ did not let me go to grade 9 because "i was not old enough according to the CANADIAN education system" like seriously how bizzare is that?? then i had to go to grade 8 again and the schooling here is a piece of cake compared to private schools in India..then i moved to alberta in the middle of grade 8..... i did not even touch any books at home and passed with a 95% average.... and 96% in grade 9 ... how what bi***es?? and what happend with my parents was even worse... my dad is a veterinarian and mom is  a pharmacist, my dad had to give exams to obtain canadian certificate... now he works as a vet in the government.. as i said before about the province thinger, i had gotten my learners license in alberta and could have had gotten my full license when i got 16 but nooo .. i moved back to ontario and theses people want me to give the test again (they wont accept the license from another province) to get an ontario learners and i can't do that till i'm 16 .... not even a leaners which i already have.....

now let me tell you the fun part, the part about INDIA ... India is up ..... governments don't do anything. cops are lazy and if they catch you doing something ,not stopping at a red light for example(although no one really stops at one) just give then a Rs50 bill and your free to go no charges nothing.. how cool is that? but the corruption sucks.. if you had to get anything done, even if it is your right, you have to pay some $$ for example just to get some leave from a government job my dad had to pay about $3000 canadian..everything has a cost there.. the politicians are rich cause they ask in millions to do even a small task.. they throw all they $$$ in foreign banks and no one finds out ..lol in india if you have $$$you are god... my family was fairly rich there had many houses and stuff so life was awesome.... my house was like 5 times the size of a regular house in us/canada ... oh yea we a load of land and stuff.. had maids to clean up our house. cook food and do almost everything lol.. i lived like a king there lol...

[~:Dhruv:~]

now let me tell you the fun part, the part about INDIA ... India is up ..... governments don't do anything. cops are lazy and if they catch you doing something ,not stopping at a red light for example(although no one really stops at one) just give then a Rs50 bill and your free to go no charges nothing.. how cool is that? but the corruption sucks.. if you had to get anything done, even if it is your right, you have to pay some $$ for example just to get some leave from a government job my dad had to pay about $3000 canadian..everything has a cost there.. the politicians are rich cause they ask in millions to do even a small task.. they throw all they $$$ in foreign banks and no one finds out ..lol in india if you have $$$you are god... my family was fairly rich there had many houses and stuff so life was awesome.... my house was like 5 times the size of a regular house in us/canada ... oh yea we a load of land and stuff.. had maids to clean up our house. cook food and do almost everything lol.. i lived like a king there lol...

Lucky you , i'm still in India and i definitely do NOT live like a king :S When did u move to Canada ? btw you must be missing all the luxuries of living in India eh ? Many houses !!! What did ur parents do ??? (sorry if its going too personal)  Property is becoming so expensive here that we can no longer think of buying a new appartment.....

[802Chives]

Bhawan, ur exactly right.  this country is headed towards what has happened in Canada where the government has to much control to the point where things are out of control.  If you examine the roots of why the USA is the USA today, it is because the people didnt want that kind of control because it is our country and we should decide what is best.  That concept is long lost amongst the people that are in contol and are using it in order to socially engineer a society where power will remain the same reguardless of government and politica parties.  Which leads me to India... the powers that be in india are always going to be there, a young person that is not born into the right family will not ever be granted the opportunity to dabble in the affairs of the priveledged which dictates the way that country is run.  That is how whoever is pulling strings in the world today wants it to be, however it is not as blatent in the US as what happens in India as our pupiteers are a well oiled machine when it comes to social engineering and they can control aspects of peoples lives without them knowing it.  Whether or not people care, they are being manipulated by taxes, media, and politics in general. Strife is artificially created amongst lower class citizens in order to ensure that they remain segregated, because a population as large as a lower class has the oportunity to turn things on its head, in a so called democracy, if everyone gets along.  Racism and Classism are the elitist tools of mass distraction, they are the oldest tricks in the book however when that book has been censored by the gov't no one can see it as clearly as they should.

All I can say is that hopefully people are going to wake up someday, and we the people are not as dumb as everyone may think, espeacially if they think they can socially engineer a class system that ensures that power remains the same.  Mark my words, with the free flow of information in todays society we are headed towards a revolution of sorts, hence why so much effort has been put forward to controll the internet. there scared, and for good reason.

[Bhawan]

Lucky you , i'm still in India and i definitely do NOT live like a king :S When did u move to Canada ? btw you must be missing all the luxuries of living in India eh ? Many houses !!! What did ur parents do ??? (sorry if its going too personal)  Property is becoming so expensive here that we can no longer think of buying a new appartment.....

i sure am missing the luxuries ... as i said my dad is a vet and my mom is a pharmacist .. my dads salary was like 35 thousand nad moms like 15 thousand and my dad also had private practice where he earned most of the money treating dogs/cats/cows/buffaloes/horses and whatever for farmers.. he treated pets for cheaper than other vets soo like  most of the people withing a 35 km radius came to him...
i moved to canada in 2007... and to be honest i don't like it here...

@802chives yea... its kinda like the matrix where people just go with the flow for no reason they don't think about why they are doing stuff. they just do it because its a law or a policy, they don't think if it is fair and equitable, they just go on with it because they are told to(unknowingly of course) .  Its just that we are not in our own control and we can not do anything about it but live with it because others (other people) do not share the same opinion as us so therefore this results in a situation where the opinions of those with more power matter more and are given priority than the opinions of the majority(which is often right) and the group people whose opinions control and override the opinions of other this situation in modern society is called the Government... basically its just a matter of time when the governments are gonna be controlling everything from our breathing to pooping by imposing taxes on how much we breath and how much we so that the individuals involved in the government can get higher salaries so that they can become more powerful.... the whole world is screwed except like lonely desert islands ..lol

[Modded Matt]

"the change sucks" obama LOL

[blackburn]

Bhawan, ur exactly right.  this country is headed towards what has happened in Canada where the government has to much control to the point where things are out of control.  If you examine the roots of why the USA is the USA today, it is because the people didnt want that kind of control because it is our country and we should decide what is best.  That concept is long lost amongst the people that are in contol and are using it in order to socially engineer a society where power will remain the same reguardless of government and politica parties.  Which leads me to India... the powers that be in india are always going to be there, a young person that is not born into the right family will not ever be granted the opportunity to dabble in the affairs of the priveledged which dictates the way that country is run.  That is how whoever is pulling strings in the world today wants it to be, however it is not as blatent in the US as what happens in India as our pupiteers are a well oiled machine when it comes to social engineering and they can control aspects of peoples lives without them knowing it.  Whether or not people care, they are being manipulated by taxes, media, and politics in general. Strife is artificially created amongst lower class citizens in order to ensure that they remain segregated, because a population as large as a lower class has the oportunity to turn things on its head, in a so called democracy, if everyone gets along.  Racism and Classism are the elitist tools of mass distraction, they are the oldest tricks in the book however when that book has been censored by the gov't no one can see it as clearly as they should.

All I can say is that hopefully people are going to wake up someday, and we the people are not as dumb as everyone may think, espeacially if they think they can socially engineer a class system that ensures that power remains the same.  Mark my words, with the free flow of information in todays society we are headed towards a revolution of sorts, hence why so much effort has been put forward to controll the internet. there scared, and for good reason.

Chives, it seems that you are the only one in here that is politically correct (in my eyes) when it comes to America and the way that the government is run. America was founded to have a government of check and balances, where the people had a word in what was going on in the country instead of one leader or "king/queen". The problem is, is once people in office start to get power they get greedy and want to take advantage of it, which is why many Americans say that America will fall to socialism and many at this point are right. Even some of the people in office have slipped up and said they want America to be socialized by the government...  The main thing that gets me is the gun laws that are trying to be forced down Congresses throat. The laws that are trying to be passed are so strict, that every weapon ever has to be registered in a government database, and if you are even just as suspected of doing something that they dont like they will come and confiscate all your your firearms which violates out Bill of Rights "Right to bear arms"
Well it's 5am I guess its time to stop the ranting and go to sleep X-)

I'm happy with weapons, healthcare, and pride. You can keep the CHANGE!

[PhenomenalDesigns]

Im pretty sure gorden brown is a robot, he talks with no emotion or anything, and he lags alot