Author Topic: Are you satisfied with the way your country/countries are currently being run? (Read 10226 times)

ryan0 · « **on:** July 17, 2009, 10:43:19 AM »

I'd just like to know if I'm not the only one out there who hates their government.

Here's the background:
In the early 90's we had a huge economic boom known as the "Celtic Tiger",house prices rose 1000% (yes,a thousand),and there were foreigners coming into Ireland and buying them.Everybody had a job with a decent wage,basically we all had lots of money.
This was not without it's cons however,because our economy was built on the construction trade,literally!When jobs started to run out,and foreigners stopped coming over,the builders realised they had built too many houses,in fact far too many (there are enough unsold houses in Ireland to house 1 million people comfortably).So they started selling them off very cheap,which drove the rest of the countries house prices down.So now,nobody can sell their houses,people are losing their jobs,industry is leaving the country,and to add more injury to injury,this is all BEFORE the global recession happened!
Ireland currently has a 6% confidence rate in the government,and we'd impeach them if we'd get our arses out of the pub and onto the streets,but unfortunately the pub is that bit more tempting!

I'd like to hear some of your views,be they democratic,socialist,whatever!
Fire away!

ProperBritish · « **Reply #1 on:** July 17, 2009, 10:54:30 AM »

england has a government. gordon brown sucks. s'about it.

Modded Matt · « **Reply #2 on:** July 17, 2009, 11:42:08 AM »

Ryan0 you are irish, thats cool. are you northren irish or irish? LOL I have some irish haratige, and about 80% of my friends list is composed of irsh lads I play with. are you on xbox live? send me a friend request my tag is "IFF Matt B" without the quotes of course. IFF= Irish Freedom Fighters. Like I said, I have a great bunch I play with you may like to meet. heck you may know some of them.

sorry to jack the thread, back on topic.

I live in the states, and I am fairly sure nobody is happy with the way this contry is being run, obama's own party is starting to loose paitence/faith in him. we elected this official looking for "change" but the only change anyone other than the ones on welfaire have seen is a higher defacit. please, please god dont tell him what number comes after trillion, because in this four year term we may just get there LOL. where is my health care reform? where arte the promised middle class tax breaks? starting to look like his whole campain was smoke and mirrors.

ryan0 · « **Reply #3 on:** July 17, 2009, 12:08:10 PM »

I'm Irish-Irish

,I live in Dublin.I'm not on xbox live that often but my gamertag is "FaireAvecFlaire",I'm on cod4 usually,and I don't use a rapidfire

I see what you're getting at,that was also promised in our budget,but instead they just bring the taxes up drastically,and even adding new taxes!The healthcare system in Ireland is a shambles,when I had a cancerous tumour in my chest it took 3 months to get an operation to have it removed,and in that time the cancer could easily have metastasised to my other organs,thankfully it didn't!
Obama also promised to make it much easier for illegal Irish in America to get citizenship or at least a green card,but only a week ago my friend's Mum (who overstayed her visa to live with her boyfriend) went into the Irish embassy to apply for a green card,but instead she was detained and deported back to Ireland within a matter of hours.
Obama also promised our taoiseach (Irish for prime-minister) more trade on Irish beef and lamb,which seems to have sank to the bottom on Obama's seemingly endless to do list.

When I was 13 I seen this coming,I'm 17 now and I can only see it getting worse before it gets better.

~:Dhruv:~ · « **Reply #4 on:** July 17, 2009, 12:39:15 PM »

I'm Indian and there is no way in hell that i'm satisfied by our government...

The indian govt. sucks way too much. One politician here got about 50 statues of herself erected all over the city... It cost a few million dollars of tax-payers money.

Today , it was found out that the education minister whose monthly salary is about $1500 (which is a very good salary in India) had about 10million dollars in his bank account.

You guys have to deal with incompetency , we have to deal with corruption. Politics is based on caste and religion over here. Many MPs have not even cleared their 10th grade......

When an uneducated person gets free reign to do whatever he wants ("goonda raaj") and has access to more money than he has ever seen in his entire life ,corruption is what you get//

corruption breeds laziness and incompetency...

India has the second largest economy in the world. This is not because of government efforts... It is inspite of the government....

bustinthejustin · « **Reply #5 on:** July 17, 2009, 12:52:10 PM »

Hmm... I live in Canada, and because I don't pay too much attention to politics in Canada (hell I probably paid more attention to the US elections), I can't say if I'm satisfied with my government or not. However, we have universal health care, and we aren't being as affected by the economy crisis as the US is, so I suppose my government can't be that bad...

.MadX · « **Reply #6 on:** July 17, 2009, 12:55:08 PM »

Quote from: ~:Dhruv:~ on July 17, 2009, 12:39:15 PM

I'm Indian and there is no way in hell that i'm satisfied by our government...

The indian govt. sucks way too much. One politician here got about 50 statues of herself erected all over the city... It cost a few million dollars of tax-payers money.

Today , it was found out that the education minister whose monthly salary is about $1500 (which is a very good salary in India) had about 10million dollars in his bank account.

You guys have to deal with incompetency , we have to deal with corruption. Politics is based on caste and religion over here. Many MPs have not even cleared their 10th grade......

When an uneducated person gets free reign to do whatever he wants ("goonda raaj") and has access to more money than he has ever seen in his entire life ,corruption is what you get//

corruption breeds laziness and incompetency...

India has the second largest economy in the world. This is not because of government efforts... It is inspite of the government....

So true! I herd that the government members just fight with each other and tell the public bad things about others and then other come back saying bad things about the ones that are saying bad things to them. The government over there keeps going corrupt. The president over is the only nice guy in the the government but he can't seem to get everyone/thing right.

~:Dhruv:~ · « **Reply #7 on:** July 17, 2009, 01:02:19 PM »

Quote from: .MadX on July 17, 2009, 12:55:08 PM

So true! I herd that the government members just fight with each other and tell the public bad things about others and then other come back saying bad things about the ones that are saying bad things to them. The government over there keeps going corrupt. The president over is the only nice guy in the the government but he can't seem to get everyone/thing right.

Yup thats more or less accurate....
The President may be a nice guy BUT in our country the control is not in the hands of the President ... it with the Vice President....

Jumbo · « **Reply #8 on:** July 17, 2009, 01:08:03 PM »

i hate most governments. Most are corrupt, :censored:heads, and i quite frankly dont know how the

they become so high powered. Obama promised change? He hasnt done

yet. I was more happy with bush. Obama wants a government run healthcare. i hope to GOD they dont do that. everythign the government touches gets :censored:ed. guess what happened yesterday. we found a guy that stole 106,000$ from nonprofit organiziations for himself. it was ALL tax payers money, proly going to vacations and nice suits lmao. :censored:t he governent. Obama's grandmother herself said he was born in kenya. hes not even american. i no this stires up "o ur racist just cause hes black" which isnt true. i have many black friends and they ALL agree obama sucks. he hasnt done anything yet and i dont really see anything good in the future from his BS.

Ben. · « **Reply #9 on:** July 17, 2009, 02:08:25 PM »

Quote from: ProperBritish on July 17, 2009, 10:54:30 AM

england has a government. gordon brown sucks. s'about it.

Exactly.

Timmy · « **Reply #10 on:** July 18, 2009, 08:51:58 AM »

Frankly, i don't support any political system or party at all.

When i go to vote, i vote more to keep the badder party out then to put any given party in, its just picking the lesser of two evils.

Every system, whether democratic, socialist, facsist....all of them, have this set of ideals and rules they hope will lead them to a utopian society........no such :censored:ing thing. Communism is supposed to be a system where everyone is equal.....how the

can you have a system where everyone is equal and yet person holds complete power

And then within democracy you have a choice of parties who all are constantly firing shots at each other over the media for everything they do, so by that logic, if no one did anything then everyone would be fine, which is retarded. And seeing as someone mentioned him, Obama should sue everyone who voted for him for racial discrimination, because no matter what any of them say, that's why they voted for him, not his politics. An whilst talking about western politics, i DESPISE two party systems.....in what way is that democratic, YOU ARE FREE TO CHOOSE OUR LEADER, BUT VOTING FOR THIS, THIS, THIS and this party or independent is essentially useless!

Its sort of a Pseudo-Anarchist view of things i guess, but even then anarchy wouldn't work because eventually someone would have to be put in charge of making certain things work, so its not an anarchy anymore.

politics

PspKicks316 · « **Reply #11 on:** July 18, 2009, 10:08:13 AM »

Quote from: XionDS on July 18, 2009, 08:51:58 AM

Frankly, i don't support any political system or party at all.

lolwtf how did you post?!

~:Dhruv:~ · « **Reply #12 on:** July 18, 2009, 10:54:07 AM »

^^ Who the hell is XionDS ????

Since when do we have guests who can post ????

PspKicks316 · « **Reply #13 on:** July 18, 2009, 11:11:04 AM »

Quote from: ~:Dhruv:~ on July 18, 2009, 10:54:07 AM

^^ Who the hell is XionDS ????

Since when do we have guests who can post ????

TimmyDX's old account...

TwisTtheTwiTcH · « **Reply #14 on:** July 18, 2009, 01:29:49 PM »

In all honesty the government hardly matters in the life of an average joe. In the military while in war enemies often like to kill those in command, which in once again all honesty does not accomplish anything. It isn't an officer of any sort that gets any of the work done, it is the NCOs and those below them that do the actual work. I have lived in the UK, US, Korea and quite a few other countries and I can tell you honestly, they all suck. They are all the same. A corrupt politician doesn't actually affect you, with as little as any one average joe puts into there own state for taxes the self righteous attitude others hold toward government officials is sickening. Humans are corrupt, everybody tries to get ahead in life while trying to also play to popularity contest so nobody knows you are doing it. Nobody in the government really affects you average joes. They simply don't, oh the rising health care prices: are they the ones cutting you up? No it is the doctor. Gas prices? Have everybody in your town buy two shares of stock in an oil company then when they hold meetings vote against raising prices.

All government officials are the same, and so is everybody else. If you thought you could sneak off with over 100k and have nobody notice, you'd do it. So would I. Why? Because it is human nature to get ahead. Some people simply cannot mod. They may not have the intelligence, skill, materials so modders offer there services and charge for them, to get ahead. Before somebody says they are different try behaving different. Then the would will be impressed.

Just my two cents, the world sucks get over it or die trying.

-TwisT

ryan0 · « **Reply #15 on:** July 18, 2009, 01:37:49 PM »

I agree that America didn't want a good president,they wanted a black one,and that is in no way being racist,but over-conscientious white people and white-hating black people are what got Obama elected.Ireland relies heavily on American trade just as America relies on us to refuel it's fighter jets and commercial planes,and Obama hasn't done anything but tighten the vice on our balls.We scratch America's back,they spit in our faces (not referring to the people but rather the government).

W-Gaming5 · « **Reply #16 on:** July 20, 2009, 12:29:23 AM »

blackburn · « **Reply #17 on:** July 20, 2009, 12:40:38 AM »

Quote from: Jumbo on July 17, 2009, 01:08:03 PM

i hate most governments. Most are corrupt, :censored:heads, and i quite frankly dont know how the they become so high powered. Obama promised change? He hasnt done yet. I was more happy with bush. Obama wants a government run healthcare. i hope to GOD they dont do that. everythign the government touches gets :censored:ed. guess what happened yesterday. we found a guy that stole 106,000$ from nonprofit organiziations for himself. it was ALL tax payers money, proly going to vacations and nice suits lmao. :censored:t he governent. Obama's grandmother herself said he was born in kenya. hes not even american. i no this stires up "o ur racist just cause hes black" which isnt true. i have many black friends and they ALL agree obama sucks. he hasnt done anything yet and i dont really see anything good in the future from his BS.

Jumbo, I could not have possibly said it better myself.... Socialized Medicine is obviously the WRONG way to go. And higher taxes to help people who live in the "ghetto" yet they use their food stamp money to buy a 60" LCD TV and drive an fully loaded escalade then complain that they government doesn't give them anything? (true story, happened here in texas)

PhenomenalDesigns · « **Reply #18 on:** July 20, 2009, 12:45:35 PM »

Quote from: Jumbo on July 17, 2009, 01:08:03 PM

i hate most governments. Most are corrupt, :censored:heads, and i quite frankly dont know how the they become so high powered. Obama promised change? He hasnt done yet. I was more happy with bush. Obama wants a government run healthcare. i hope to GOD they dont do that. everythign the government touches gets :censored:ed. guess what happened yesterday. we found a guy that stole 106,000$ from nonprofit organiziations for himself. it was ALL tax payers money, proly going to vacations and nice suits lmao. :censored:t he governent. Obama's grandmother herself said he was born in kenya. hes not even american. i no this stires up "o ur racist just cause hes black" which isnt true. i have many black friends and they ALL agree obama sucks. he hasnt done anything yet and i dont really see anything good in the future from his BS.

I must admit he won mainly on the fact of white people feeling guilty of being racist if they didn't

But he has changed some things, first day of his presidentcy he ordered to shut down guntanemo bay (However its spelt)

Jumbo · « **Reply #19 on:** July 20, 2009, 12:56:43 PM »

Quote from: PhenomenalDesigns on July 20, 2009, 12:45:35 PM

I must admit he won mainly on the fact of white people feeling guilty of being racist if they didn't

But he has changed some things, first day of his presidentcy he ordered to shut down guntanemo bay (However its spelt)

Which is bad considering the amount of BAD people there. I dont think it really should even excist. You know how you end that? When you have people tax money going to jails to feed people that killed others and rapist its just :censored:ed.
Heres a tip:
1. Buy a bullet
2. Load the gun
3. Kill the murderer/rapist/badguy
4. save millions to spend on other things to MAKE THE AMERICA BETTER NOT TO PAY

THE :censored:ING FOOD THE CRIMNALS EAT

aquatsr · « **Reply #20 on:** July 20, 2009, 04:39:04 PM »

Quote from: modded matt on July 17, 2009, 11:42:08 AM

Ryan0 you are irish, thats cool. are you northren irish or irish? LOL I have some irish haratige, and about 80% of my friends list is composed of irsh lads I play with. are you on xbox live? send me a friend request my tag is "IFF Matt B" without the quotes of course. IFF= Irish Freedom Fighters. Like I said, I have a great bunch I play with you may like to meet. heck you may know some of them.

sorry to jack the thread, back on topic.

I live in the states, and I am fairly sure nobody is happy with the way this contry is being run, obama's own party is starting to loose paitence/faith in him. we elected this official looking for "change" but the only change anyone other than the ones on welfaire have seen is a higher defacit. please, please god dont tell him what number comes after trillion, because in this four year term we may just get there LOL. where is my health care reform? where arte the promised middle class tax breaks? starting to look like his whole campain was smoke and mirrors.

Things don't change overnight. Obama is going for long-term change and he's working on it, not on quick-fixes that last for a month then die. If you look past the sensationalist media reports about his family and social life you'll see he's hard at work trying to think up and implement new ideas for a better America.

That being said, I haven't been happy with the U.S. Gov't (I live in US) since young Bush was elected. Clinton was the last Good President.

Quote from: ~:Dhruv:~ on July 17, 2009, 12:39:15 PM

I'm Indian and there is no way in hell that i'm satisfied by our government...

The indian govt. sucks way too much. One politician here got about 50 statues of herself erected all over the city... It cost a few million dollars of tax-payers money.

Today , it was found out that the education minister whose monthly salary is about $1500 (which is a very good salary in India) had about 10million dollars in his bank account.

You guys have to deal with incompetency , we have to deal with corruption. Politics is based on caste and religion over here. Many MPs have not even cleared their 10th grade......

When an uneducated person gets free reign to do whatever he wants ("goonda raaj") and has access to more money than he has ever seen in his entire life ,corruption is what you get//

corruption breeds laziness and incompetency...

India has the second largest economy in the world. This is not because of government efforts... It is inspite of the government....

It's impossible to get anything Gov't related done in India w/o bribes and/or great delays. The lines never seem to move there... luckily India moves even if the corrupt laden Gov't does not.

Quote from: ryan0 on July 18, 2009, 01:37:49 PM

I agree that America didn't want a good president,they wanted a black one,and that is in no way being racist,but over-conscientious white people and white-hating black people are what got Obama elected.Ireland relies heavily on American trade just as America relies on us to refuel it's fighter jets and commercial planes,and Obama hasn't done anything but tighten the vice on our balls.We scratch America's back,they spit in our faces (not referring to the people but rather the government).

I disagree. I generally dislike everyone except my close friends and I only voted for Obama 'cause I really hated Palin. If McCain had picked almost anyone else (save Bush/Cheney) as V.P. I would have voted for him.

Quote from: Jumbo on July 20, 2009, 12:56:43 PM

Which is bad considering the amount of BAD people there. I dont think it really should even excist. You know how you end that? When you have people tax money going to jails to feed people that killed others and rapist its just :censored:ed.
Heres a tip:
1. Buy a bullet
2. Load the gun
3. Kill the murderer/rapist/badguy
4. save millions to spend on other things to MAKE THE AMERICA BETTER NOT TO PAY THE :censored:ING FOOD THE CRIMNALS EAT

Great idea. Just one problem. Who kills you? You just became a murderer.

blackburn · « **Reply #21 on:** July 20, 2009, 10:25:00 PM »

Quote from: PhenomenalDesigns on July 20, 2009, 12:45:35 PM

I must admit he won mainly on the fact of white people feeling guilty of being racist if they didn't

But he has changed some things, first day of his presidentcy he ordered to shut down guntanemo bay (However its spelt)

Shutting down Guantanamo bay was a BAD idea. first off. And he has made changes yes. For the worst. People are loosing there jobs and taxes are going up... WAY TO GO OBAMA! not.....

TwisTtheTwiTcH · « **Reply #22 on:** July 20, 2009, 10:26:25 PM »

Ignorance is a problem everywhere. It should not be a crime. I suggest simply taking the warning labels off of poisons, and everything else right down to plastic bags: "Warning Possible Suffocation Risk, Do Not Put Over Head" And allow the problem to fix itself. It is a well known fact that the warning is put there because somebody has done it.

-TwisT

aquatsr · « **Reply #23 on:** July 22, 2009, 11:37:06 AM »

Quote from: blackburn on July 20, 2009, 10:25:00 PM

Shutting down Guantanamo bay was a BAD idea. first off. And he has made changes yes. For the worst. People are loosing there jobs and taxes are going up... WAY TO GO OBAMA! not.....

It wasn't a bad idea, it was a fantastic idea. What changes has he made for the worst? Did you ever consider that things were sliding this way for a long time and that it would have been much worse with someone like Palin/Bush/Cheney at the top? (I kinda like McCain... but not with Palin there)

Quote from: TwisTtheTwiTcH on July 20, 2009, 10:26:25 PM

Ignorance is a problem everywhere. It should not be a crime. I suggest simply taking the warning labels off of poisons, and everything else right down to plastic bags: "Warning Possible Suffocation Risk, Do Not Put Over Head" And allow the problem to fix itself. It is a well known fact that the warning is put there because somebody has done it.

-TwisT

One word: lawyers. You can't remove the warnings and still have lawyers around.

blackburn · « **Reply #24 on:** July 22, 2009, 06:27:12 PM »

Quote from: aquatsr on July 22, 2009, 11:37:06 AM

It wasn't a bad idea, it was a fantastic idea. What changes has he made for the worst? Did you ever consider that things were sliding this way for a long time and that it would have been much worse with someone like Palin/Bush/Cheney at the top? (I kinda like McCain... but not with Palin there)

Obviously you did not read my post all the way through.

And if you don't mind, explain to me why closing Guantanamo bay was a good idea?

Slim Hacker · « **Reply #25 on:** July 22, 2009, 08:54:26 PM »

Wait a second

Quote

irsh lads I play with.

Matt you play with irish lads........kreepy j/k (pls dont ban)

Yeah but US as of late has been getting worse and worse if obamas health plan passes god will that be fun trying to pay for especially if someone tells Obama theres a Quadrillion dollar mark ( god I hope he doesnt know what is after the trillion dollar mark. If he passes the trillion dollr mark...(Ill join justin in Canada) lol Obamas Campaign WAS] Smoke and Mirrors.

Just my 2 cents

aquatsr · « **Reply #26 on:** July 23, 2009, 03:07:00 PM »

Quote from: blackburn on July 22, 2009, 06:27:12 PM

Obviously you did not read my post all the way through. And if you don't mind, explain to me why closing Guantanamo bay was a good idea?

I did read your post all the way through. Don't go blaming Obama for the things the Bush administration, as well as some really f-ed up people (read: Madoff) caused.

Closing Guantanamo was a good idea because torture doesn't work. What it does do is take innocent people who otherwise wouldn't have given a damn about America either way and turns them into resentful individuals who are now sympathetic to our enemies. Sure, maybe once in a while you might get a guy who knows something or is really a terrorist, but when you're literally breeding 50 more at his expense, what's the point? Also, we can't say either way whether keeping it open or closing it down would prevent attacks like 9/11. Nobody knows either way. Not for sure. ELINT and HUMINT done properly save just as many, or more, American lives than does torturing suspected terrorists for information.

Quote from: Slim Hacker on July 22, 2009, 08:54:26 PM

Wait a second Matt you play with irish lads........kreepy j/k (pls dont ban)

Yeah but US as of late has been getting worse and worse if obamas health plan passes god will that be fun trying to pay for especially if someone tells Obama theres a Quadrillion dollar mark ( god I hope he doesnt know what is after the trillion dollar mark. If he passes the trillion dollr mark...(Ill join justin in Canada) lol Obamas Campaign WAS] Smoke and Mirrors.

Just my 2 cents

You have to realize that the current health care system does not work for most Americans. It is costly, bloated, and the common taxpayer is paying a lot (I don't know specifics, sorry) for a service he/she doesn't get nearly the benefit they deserve for the cost they put in.

Obama's plan definitely looks like waaay too much money. But I bet if we added up all the unnecessary and wasteful spending and costs that arise in our current health plan, Obama's plan might look a lot more appealing. You can't just look at the face cost and dismiss it so easily. Ask yourself: Is our current system working?

Slim Hacker · « **Reply #27 on:** July 23, 2009, 06:37:05 PM »

Well to me the current system is working I have full health and dental government insurance its great

and the way obama is "Testing" stuff we will be the country with the largest amount of debt by 2012

bustinthejustin · « **Reply #28 on:** July 23, 2009, 06:45:25 PM »

Aren't you already the country with the largest amount of debt...

treemty · « **Reply #29 on:** July 23, 2009, 07:12:25 PM »

I hate the U.S. and just about everything about it.
Canada FTW?(btw, montreal and saint jerome re awesome.)

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Author Topic: Are you satisfied with the way your country/countries are currently being run? (Read 10226 times)