"Anonymous" Attacks Sony

[geraldrubalcava]

I agree, when I bough the system at 600 bucks I was like EVERYTHING WOO lol. And at the time it was a all in one device. Sure u can buy a 500 dollar pc and do that too. But what would be a great device which u can say it looks clean on your living room, has hdmi, blueray, a great cell processor, play my ps1,2,3 games, will not overheat like a 360, has a free network?  Well at the time I bought it there was nothing else like it, and this was advertised along side. And  my love for it started fading away, until a Sony firmware caused it to take away OtherOS, and have a fan cycle reduction which cause it to overheat and ylod. (that was Sony saying , go buy another one!" so I gave it to RDC and he was going to Shove a 360 inside that shell. Lol



I believe the reason why the "say" they took it away now is that they received a call from IBM saying there losing the us militaty As a client for the cluster computing of a ps3. Just an excuse to get out of there class action lawsuit, but we will have to see how this plays out ...

[geraldrubalcava]

And I once bough a xbox 1 from some guy for 8 bucks because it did not turn on. I opened it up and it had a mod chip, the only problem was that it had one burned wire. So I resodered it and turn it into a settop box with xbmc. I was able to play snes games watch my revision 3 shows. Watch my media from iTunes and do much more.(upnp, smb, FTP, u name it it had it)  I never pirated a dam game. I don't like xbox much rather with there controllers. This was my solution for a good hack of a console. It was truly perfect, even with it's component cables and optical out, great 8 dollar investment ever. XD my point is that sometimes hack can renew old hardware.


One Q why does AM sell modchips? Or jags or something like that. (not quite familiar with 360)

[jrfhoutx]

ok first if you downloaded and used ROMs then yes, you pirated a game. there is not a single video game ever produced that is not still protected by it's copyright (copyrights are valid for 75 years from the first publication date, in most cases).


second, the shop doesn't sell modchips. the shop sells development tools...

[802Chives]

Oh yes, since I am ignorant about the 'scene', can someone please tell me what the scope of 'our fight' is? I mean, be more specific. Run linux on proprietary box? Really? Can you not run linux elsewhere? Is there no better and cheaper hardware to do this on? This sounds sarcastic (it is a little) but I really truly dont understand and want a good response. I can get the idea if its the fun of accomplishing it, but does it have to be public?

The scope of our scene is freedom of information, and freedom to do what we wish with what we own (within the law).  Imagine if you could be persecuted for your Wii mod? Seems rediculous but this is really about your wii mod and your right to do it.  Just like you said your mod is 3 lines away from being able to break the law, we want to make sure that someday your mod isnt 2 lines over breaking the law.    hacking is to modding as porno is to free speach... with persecution for hacking makes modding vulnerable, just as censorship makes free speech vulnerable.

The free gun sign in miami is a bit over the top, I would liken what Geo did more to bringing a load of guns to a gun bazaar in afghanistan (see vice guide to travel).   See you give the average human being more credit then is due, it is true that the tech savvy middle schooler could hack a ps3 with what geo made public and download or rip games, however it is not something every middle schooler could do, not to mention an adult.  I would guess that 99% of adults would not be able to accomplish at least one piece that is involved in running pirated software on a PS3, whether it be using a computer or gathing the required files, or burning a blue ray.  Whoever is taking the guns from geohot went to the seedy end of town looking for them, they did not simply come across it in their mommy and me forums

[techninjadude]

Is the video fake ?

I mean did everyone's ps3 suddenly view this message

[DuctTapedGoat]

View what message?


Video's not fake, it's on Anon's "press release style" site.

[geraldrubalcava]

ahh i just said i was able to play snes, not actusly have it., plus i dont think i would be cable to connect so many systems to my tv, so it was just a inconvenience, plus, i never played a xbox 1 game ever. it was just a settop box. ... so no pirating! OK! all this old technology was to steam content from my favorite online tv shows. (by the way revision3 is a great online tv shows)

@ jrfhoutx now i just feel like your picking on me man. every comment i make,u find something to argue, something back to say. i was just saying that hacking can also bring new life to old stuff man!

and again, doesn't your argument say that "development tools" are just an excuse for common people to pirate man? i dont mean to start a argument but isnt that being a hypocrite(not you dude, just in general)? a while ago AM was selling "development tool" for the ps3 which was just a copy board that can be flashed with psgroove which was a "jailbreak" for the ps3. sooo.... idk?

[hyper999]

Is the video fake ?

I mean did everyone's ps3 suddenly view this message

LOL, did you actually just ask that?

@ jrfhoutx now i just feel like your picking on me man. every comment i make,u find something to argue, something back to say. i was just saying that hacking can also bring new life to old stuff man!

Isnt that the point of a debate/argument?

[geraldrubalcava]

i agree, but instead of thew topic one attacks different statements i make. again im against piracy too, but all i said that there is some positive outcomes of hacking a old counsle. it was not i guess a debatable statement, just a personal experience.

again can anyone explain why AM had the dam ps3 modchips, or jailbreak... (you might say it was just for "development tools" but bull ! )

again i have much respect for you hyper999,because of you i started loving these online communities and how helpful they are.

[hyper999]

well tbh AM shop isnt really much to do with any members here apart from Kingmike and Robin, but they aren't selling the PS3 mod-chip they are selling a development board and if someone else outside of AM has released an open-source code for that micro-controller its nothing to do with us.

[jrfhoutx]

ahh i just said i was able to play snes, not actusly have it., plus i dont think i would be cable to connect so many systems to my tv, so it was just a inconvenience, plus, i never played a xbox 1 game ever. it was just a settop box. ... so no pirating! OK! all this old technology was to steam content from my favorite online tv shows. (by the way revision3 is a great online tv shows)

@ jrfhoutx now i just feel like your picking on me man. every comment i make,u find something to argue, something back to say. i was just saying that hacking can also bring new life to old stuff man!

and again, doesn't your argument say that "development tools" are just an excuse for common people to pirate man? i dont mean to start a argument but isnt that being a hypocrite(not you dude, just in general)? a while ago AM was selling "development tool" for the ps3 which was just a copy board that can be flashed with psgroove which was a "jailbreak" for the ps3. sooo.... idk?

1. the way you stated what you did with the box implied that you did actually play SNES on it, I simply picked at the wording involved.

2. I'm not picking on you I'm simply pointing out the inconsistency and contradiction in saying that one has never pirated a game, but possesses ROMs (because unless one has the necessary hardware to make those ROM copies themselves, they had to have been obtained illegally).

4. I agree, hacking can bring new life to old equipment, I've never argued against or disagreed with that point.

5. No I don't think that's what my argument was about, I mean yes I made the point that he knew that by releasing his tools people would use them in a way he hadn't intended and pirate, but that was hardly my entire argument.

6. I don't sell a damn thing in the store, so how does that make me a hypocrite? I don't own the place, and I don't sell stuff through it, and I don't see a dime from it, so I don't see how that would make me a hypocrite. As for in general, I still don't see how selling development hardware and being against piracy is hypocritical.

7. the specific development tool you speak of has far more uses than just to be a PSGroove clone, just because you're limited in your thinking of what it can be used for doesn't mean that is it's only use.

i agree, but instead of thew topic one attacks different statements i make.  it was not i guess a debatable statement, just a personal experience.

again can anyone explain why AM had the dam ps3 modchips, or jailbreak... (you might say it was just for "development tools" but bull ! )

Umm... breaking down ones statements as legitimate or not is a debate tactic. by punching holes in the logic of a statement or showing its invalidity it breaks down the argument.

All statements can be debated.

they were for sale because it is a store and it caters to supply and demand for merchandise. call BS all you want but they are clearly sold as development tools and are not alluded to any specific use, they aren't even in the PS3 section, they have their own categories.

they aren't selling the PS3 mod-chip they are selling a development board and if someone else outside of AM has released an open-source code for that micro-controller its nothing to do with us.

^this...







OK, now I'm going to go pay attention to the far more intriguing OtherOS class action suit; which is actually about getting back the linux capability that you talk about so often (not a pissing contest between a kid and a corporation over encryption keys) and actually has a decent chance of succeeding (as it's kinda making SCEA look stupid) and actually setting a precedence for what can and can not be done with firmware updates...

[techninjadude]

LOL, did you actually just ask that?



Isnt that the point of a debate/argument?

Its a discussion not a argument or a debate.

Does anyone no where I can go to join anonymous.

[hyper999]

Its a discussion not a argument or a debate.

Does anyone no where I can go to join anonymous.

I disagree. Now we are having an argument as there is disagreement involved.

[jrfhoutx]

people in over their heads should keep their mouths shut so they don't drown...

[geraldrubalcava]

All respect to u man. But isnt that the same argument that other people are saying about geohot? "Here are the tools but dont use them to pirate" some of you said that.

But itsnt it the same as saying " here is a 18f dev kit, but dont go around flahing it to pirate" idk but it seems  quite similar. Also. For a dam 18f minimalistic clone which only has a usb connector doesnt it imply that its just a can clone like all other clones.

Plus people in ps3 have pirated before cfw came out. I use a cfw that its called "rebug dev" which is to dev. Unlike the rest that pirate. And i dont believe that this is illegal
 

1, sorry if i worded wrong. No i dint play those roms. Hut just a pocibility.

2 i spesificly said u wasnt talking about u when i said hipocrie

&3 im not the best written debator or the champ of my clas. Just a person who writes code and has a opinion.

But thats just my 2 lincons lol

[DuctTapedGoat]

I wholly agree that the GeoHot stuff doesn't apply to anyone and really isn't the topic of debate here - despite the ever so brief mention of him in the Anon release. The class action lawsuit is the meat and potatoes of what the good fight is for in the name of freedom of information.

[hyper999]

All respect to u man. But isnt that the same argument that other people are saying about geohot? "Here are the tools but dont use them to pirate" some of you said that.

But itsnt it the same as saying " here is a 18f dev kit, but dont go around flahing it to pirate" idk but it seems  quite similar. Also. For a dam 18f minimalistic clone which only has a usb connector doesnt it imply that its just a can clone like all other clones.

No the 18f dev board is not a minimalistic clone its a dev board, for developing software for the PIC18F device platform similair to say an xbox360 dev kit only for a different platform you as a 'dev' should understand this, and no one is telling you what to put on it, it can do a great deal more than clone a jailbreak device (did someone say HID gamepad?), however you probably have only heard about the jailbreaking as this is the only open-source code for it you are interested in.

HOWEVER ALL OF THE ABOVE IS IRRELIVANT BECAUSE THE SHOP HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MOST MEMBERS HERE... (especially )

[robin1989]

the board that was sold in the shop is a blank development board that was actually around before the psgroove thing and can be used for the hacking/hobbyist scene in ways other than to circumvent piracy measures. were like the gun shop in one of the previous analogys.

also i hope the otherOS class action suite wins.


as for joining anonymous they are an unorganised anonymous group who dont meet with each other and there "cruisades" so to speek come from  them chatting on IRC and some of them agreeing to do something about there views. there is no set structure to them or a sign up sheet.

[geraldrubalcava]

well the minimalistic bard that ive seen in the shop is too small do do a actual work other than a usb keyboard siffer or anything requirement of a computer.

hyper999 i have full respect for you. but what i was talking about in the other topic.

you are assuming i only hear of dev boards for jailbreak before? dont assume that. yes i dev, but moslty just software and not actual pics or chips. my specialty is mostly security not these def boards. so plesase dont assume that i was only interested just because if this. ---"however you probably have only heard about the jailbreaking as this is the only open-source code for it you are interested in. "---


now i understand that AM shop has nothing to do with the actual forum.

[hyper999]

well the minimalistic bard that ive seen in the shop is too small do do a actual work other than a usb keyboard siffer or anything requirement of a computer.

Too small for you to do actual work on maybe, but I could quite easily use that to prototype perhaps a USB>RS232 converter, a game pad, a keyboard.... (this list could go on all day)

What I meant about you being a dev is that you should be able to understand the concept of a "dev kit".

And I would argue against the rest of your post, however I am unable to decipher it...

[geraldrubalcava]

thank you man out of all people i had respect for you 100% but ok man. yes i know, english is not my first language so i can not wirte correctly. i do understand the concept of a dev kit. but as many people may use these the wrong way.

i undertand what your saying.. its kool man..

[Crumbz]

anyone else notice that this topic kinda went off topic for the longest time? And that alot of ppl made a big deal out of nothing?

Plain and simply put: Ppl will ALWAYS find ways to hack/mod their systems and ppl will ALWAYS argue about what is the right thing and the wrong thing.

And yes what Anonymous is doing is illegal but saying that it is isnt going to stop them from doing it will it?

Idk about everyone else but to me it seems like a complete waste of time to sit there and argue the same point that have always been argued time and time again!

It truly doesn't matter what other ppl think because ppl will always do what they want to do and what they believe they should do weather it's right or wrong.