Rapid Fire method (No chip) Easy/ Detailed Tutorial

[wilson08]

* King_Mike Made this Mod - I just made a simple/more detailed Tutorial *

Ok, first off you will need an Old style Wireless board (Pictured Below) - I havent tested on a wired board, if someone has and it works let me know!



Equipment Needed...


SWITCHES FOR THE UK

* GET THE PUSH TO MAKE/ NON LOCKING SWITCHES *

http://www.maplin.co.uk/Search.aspx?criteria=on/off%20push%20button&source=15&menu=-2&WorldSearch=Y&SD=Y


SWITCHES FOR THE US

* GET THE PUSH TO MAKE/ NON LOCKING SWITCHES *

http://www.radioshack.com/search/index.jsp?kwCatId=&kw=push%20button&origkw=push%20button&sr=1

Diagram of wiring/ solder points


1) Get your wire (approx 15 cm) and solder one end to one of the points on your switch
2) Get the other wire (approx 7cm) and solder one end to the other point on switch
3) Solder wire 1 to the Left side of Player 1 LED...
yeah, Soldering to the LED is pretty difficult - the way i did it was put a lil bit of solder on the end of the wire, put it against the LED and then melted it with the iron
4) Solder wire 2 to the middle pin of the right Triggers...
Just melt the solder thats already on the board - use extra solder if u need to
5) Test it - If it works, carry on - If not check your wiring
6) Now depending on the size of your button - You need to find a drill piece and place to put the button...
Mine was pretty big and had to remove one rumble motor and drilled where it was placed (pictured below)


7)Glue it in place and your done!

**- Video & Pics of mine -**

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/8pDwVTZUeSk&amp;hl=en&amp;fs" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/8pDwVTZUeSk&amp;hl=en&amp;fs</a>

[yuckzee]

thanks alot, not to diss king mike or nothin but i find the one more easyer to follow and everything, \

[wilson08]

thanks alot, not to diss king mike or nothin but i find the one more easyer to follow and everything, \

Thanks !

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Video up..  Can someone tell me how to make it bigger? lol - Pics up Tommorrow, when i can find my Torx !

1Sniper-please dont double post, just hit the button

[yuckzee]

hmm, try checking your enabled link and try to make the deminsions biger

[yuckzee]

and shoot, this one seems to shoot faster than the other ones ive seen

[Arsic]

I just put the switch before the rumble groove so that it feels more natural to just squeeze the controller and have it fire.

The switch I used was a little big too. I had to bend the inputs to keep it from interfering with the rumble. I'll replace it with a better one later.

[wilson08]

I just put the switch before the rumble groove so that it feels more natural to just squeeze the controller and have it fire.

The switch I used was a little big too. I had to bend the inputs to keep it from interfering with the rumble. I'll replace it with a better one later.

Yeah i should of done that! But anyway Gd Job:D

[Butters789]

How's it goin, guys? well ive done tihs mod (if you can call it that!) to my old wireless controller, and it worked great for about 3 hours... but then i turned my xbox off and tried to turn it on the next day and my controller just wouldnt sync up. so i took all the wires and what-not out of it and it just stopped working alltogether. :/ but i went to the good 'ol kmart and got me a new wired controller and fiddled with it all day. i put a 100k resistor to the pos end of my switch and then wired that to the black ground wire, and the red (neg) end to the middle R-trigger pin. this worked fine and dandy for another single-fire button. so i just saw something that might work for new wired controllers... what if you took the other side of your button (pos side) and wired that to the ground or LED, too? would that make any sort of difference? just checkin in, ive followed Mike's thread for a week now and decided i would comment finally.

[PspKicks316]

It wouldn't work, because there would be no signal going to the trigger then. It wouldn't do anything at all. By the way, neg and gnd is the same. Red is + and black is -/gnd. Oh, and switches don't have polarities. It's just whichever side you wire it up to.

[Butters789]

Ah, i see... well crap, i know Silly Nuts is workin on the wird version, too, but he's offline. it just kinda bugs me, there should be a way to do this without a chip! OOOH! i forgot, i was messin with the side with the resistor on it today, i had the other soldered to the R-trigger pin, and i was holding the resistor that was wired to the other prong, and i somehow got rapid fire. o_0 i have no idea how it happened, but it did, and then i soldered it to the ground and it just stuck me back at single-shot.

[wilson08]

Keep working at it Butters - im sure you will get a result soon!

[SillyNuts]

ok i found out how to do the led mod on a wired controller (mine is now broke thanks to my 2 yr old son it is now a toy for him...) im going to buy another one this paycheck and make a tut and a vid.   

all it is is the led needs less power to it so when you hook rapid fire to it. it will make a (controlled short) so the led blinks well when the led blinks you cant even see it cuz it is so low current but it does this is what makes it rapid fire. ever time the led blinks and you have the button down it shoots..... the prob. with a wired controller is it puts out more volts then a wireless same with the new wireless so for in order to make the wired and the new wireless controllers to be able to use the led rapid fire we have to take a few volts off hmmmm how do we do this ? .... A Resister. we need to now track down where the led is geting its power from and put a 100k Resister in the pos. feed of the led. i know i know this is hard well no its not once i get the tut and vids up it will be eazy so wait for it guys its coming.




~SillyMods~

[wilson08]

(mine is now broke thanks to my 2 yr old son it is now a toy for him...)

lol
Nice work!

[xxfatsxx]

has anyone tried this with the left trigger?

[wilson08]

has anyone tried this with the left trigger?

Yes, it works

[Butters789]

YAY, Sillynuts! k, so what your sayin is that somehow we need to wire a resistor from the led to the power source, right? so which color wire is that?






sorry bout the size...and when do you think you can get that vid & tut. up, sillynuts?

[Butters789]

ok, sorry for the double post... but from reading up on wiring, ive found that the power supply is either red, white, or black... ok, considering black on our controller is the ground, red or white must be the wire sending the current. oh, and green is a neutral wire.

[Blazinkaos]

The no chip works differently then the wireless controller. What is it that is trying to be done by finding out what is feeding the led.

[yuckzee]

wheres the guide at

[KyleP]

good tutorial man keep it up

[Plastohobo]

I still dont exactly get where to solder on the led ground, i keep seeing pictures, but with just circles around the location to solder. Can someone give me the EXACT spot of where to solder onto the led?? Im about to do this and i dont want to screw up.

[Blazinkaos]

Ill see what i can doo...

Ill like zoom in right and put a dot where u have to solder will that work if its zoomed in...

[xMLGxPR0DIGYx15]

Well i tried that and this goes to all the people who read this, This mod only works sometimes it doesnt always work i recommend not doing it I tried it and it didnt work I think that that mod is a piece of $H!T myself so I highly recommend just buying the parts offline and using those so you dont go and mess up your entire controller just do as I tell you and Im not tryin to be a D!CK Telling you what to do but im serious guys it doesnt work for most people im tellin just buy the parts offline and do it its ten times easier alright!!!


ENJOY!!!

[wilson08]

This mod does work all the time - did you use unfresh battries?

[wilson08]

good tutorial man keep it up

Thanks

[Blazzed Troll]

Im keeping an eye on this tutorial for any new updates and also on the King one too...
I wanted to see if it works when its on a battery pack but plugged in...I have a set of AA recharge ables but they died so I just have it plugged in using the usb cable
now if I were to take it apart and solder right middle pin trigger -> switch off(on) -> ground of LED and it didnt work for me could I just get something else that pulsed a current in between like a timer or something and just do trigger -> switch -> timer -> LED ground (or another ground or even the neg back by the batteries...
I dont want to by a special chip or anything I'm going to radio shack and spending 45 tops on little pieces
I have a soldering iron already and  wire but its like 20 gauge so ill have to buy 30
now I know what switch Im gonna buy its iether
--http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2062545&cp=&sr=1&origkw=momentary+switch&kw=momentary+switch&parentPage=search
or
--http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2062501&cp=&sr=1&origkw=momentary+switch&kw=momentary+switch&parentPage=search
so
for my timer if I get one would it be
http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2062595&cp=&sr=1&origkw=timer&kw=timer&parentPage=search
or
http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2062596&cp=&sr=1&origkw=timer&kw=timer&parentPage=search


If someone could try these out or if someone already has please post...I will try when I get the chance but I wanted to know if a wired and a wireless plugged in are the same before I go tryign things like this

[Butters789]

ok Prodigy, you just now said that to roughly 50+ people who have done the mod and had it work flawlessly...

[wilson08]

ok Prodigy, you just now said that to roughly 150+ people who have done the mod and had it work flawlessly...

[Winterz117]

blazed troll where did you get the idea for using a timer instead of the led ground? would you install the timer just like the rapid fire chip?

[Blazzed Troll]

Well I had just thought that having resistors and transistors was pointless if you could do it with out and it worked...but I see now that the power is off depending on the amount of power that comes from batteries...so I dont think my idea would be much better than the others...but really it would just work like a chip yes...but you would still need a transistor resistor or just a Volt equilizer type thing...i dont know the technical name but pretty much it just has some simple programming that says what ever volt comes in like 4V it makes it 2.5V like when you plug a laptop in that little pack sets the Volts to a lower level so you dont blow you laptop...it takes in fomr like 125V to 200V from a standard outlet and makes it proper to fit you laptop power settings...but these get hot fast when you have to much exsess power but if its only like 1V or 2V extra thats putting the led pusle off it wouldn't be to hot...

-Side note about that tho...what if someone were to put the power adjuster thing before the batteries like take the batter pack out and have it not quite touching the metal springs and solder a volt thing their...I mean yea the batter pack would hang out and stuff but it would have a constant power supply...

[Winterz117]

idunno but what if you just wired up an led to act as a resistor? they take up a few volts to light up so set it up in between the led ground and the switch?

[Blazzed Troll]

That sounds good to me and then you could put the LED by the switch to let you know it worked...I mean anything that uses energy along the path of the circuit would lower the amount of Volts send to the switch...and if you bought a good LED that had a constant pulse no matter the Voltage it would be like a timer...I am going to look into this and see....maybe I'll find such an LED that would work

EDIT: quick find...check it out Radio Shack has a 2V LED
http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2062555&cp=&sr=1&origkw=LED&kw=led&parentPage=search
its a 2-Pack deal so if you did a left and a right your all set here...they look sturdy and could screw into your controller and hold well...I am pretty sure tho that you would still need a 555Timer of some sort but the problem with this theory is that if you have a full 3V from you AA then you add a 2V LED yes it reduces the Voltage like a resistor but it also reduces in a ratio form.. so if you have 4V it may use like 2V but if you have 3V its gonna use half and only take 1.5V so its not quite as good as a resistor
But either way I dont see why Voltage is a problem...I mean yes the LED pulse signal for the controller may lower but not enough to make it not shoot at all
But if you use a timer like this one
http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2062595&cp=&sr=1&origkw=555+timer&kw=555+timer&parentPage=search
but again the supply to the timer is at fraction which is like 1/3 which if you have a batter with 1.5(maybe 1.4 if its dying) it wont affect that enough to shoot bad so why not just do a circuit like
Trigger > Timer > Switch > Ground(not LED ground a different one like the negative on the battery pack)

[Blazinkaos]

Like the ideas guys nice job.

[Winterz117]

im currently researching this... im constructing a 555 timer chip and i will be testing out a few different leds for wired and wireless controllers... if i find anything ill probably open a new topic and tell you guys all about it :P

[Blazinkaos]

ight man please do cuz that would be nice to kno..

[Blazzed Troll]

yea im thinking about getting some stuff from radio shack and testing but i havent had a chance yet...thank you to all who have looked into my ideas...
one question is a wired and a wireless thats plugged in via USB Charger the same

I mean like voltage wise...obviously circuit boards are different but if I used a wired method and modified it for my controller circuit would it work when its plugged in...or is that some voltage change

[Winterz117]

i finished making the rapid fire chip with the 555 timer on a wired controller, and i dont seem to have any voltage problems at all. im still going to put an led in to see if it messes with the rate of fire, but im also working on making the timer method work for halo 3, as without a potentiometer the fire rate exceeds halo 3's rate limit. there is a thread on this if anyone has any ideas

https://www.acidmods.com/forum/index.php?topic=22104.0

[Blazinkaos]

Ok when u tried this do u have uhh i forgot wats it called but it tests ur voltage and ohm and that did you see if there was a difference..

[Bruce2525]

This is first post, so please, be gentle. Regarding the resistor problem for the wired controllers: why not just make your own resistor. Wrap some spare copper wire around until you get the proper resistence?

[majorahole]

is there any way to slow the rate of fire for this no chip method? it hits the cap in cod5, havent tried halo 3 yet tho. what about a pot?
 thnks

[wilson08]

is there any way to slow the rate of fire for this no chip method? it hits the cap in cod5, havent tried halo 3 yet tho. what about a pot?
 thnks

No, you cannot change the rate of fire as the LED is giving the pulses and this cannot be changed...

[majorahole]

son of a buiscuit

[majorahole]

can you contolt the pulse by changeing the led input voltage?

[wilson08]

can you contolt the pulse by changeing the led input voltage?

Well when the batteries are about to die, then yes the fire rate would slow down but it will be unnoticeable and plus it would still exceed the limit in cod5. And anyway when the batteries are low the controller's RoL flashes and this will cause the Rapid fire to go on and off if you are holding down the trigger at the time of flashing...

Just buy a chip from the acidmods shop!

[majorahole]

my thought was to put a pot on the + to the led circuit, but to get it down enought would it basically kill the led anyway?
im just trying to find the cheapest/simplest way to be cod5/halo3 compatable

im also looking into burning my own chip as i allready have a burner for previous project

[Modded Matt]

my thought was to put a pot on the + to the led circuit, but to get it down enought would it basically kill the led anyway?
im just trying to find the cheapest/simplest way to be cod5/halo3 compatable

im also looking into burning my own chip as i allready have a burner for previous project

not sure, but I dont think that will work. a pot is just a rariable risistor, so it wont affect the pwm from the led which is what creates rapid fire.

I have posted a 555 timer that can be cod5 compatable, it uses a pot to get the pulses down, but it changes resistance input telling the timmer to reactly slower or faster

I have also given you access to hazers open source asm and hex for the 12f683

both of these ways are a much better mod than this one. the only other thing I could do would be to do it for you and that will definatly not be the cheapest way...LOL...if you have trouble understanding the 555 tut or programing the 12f683, I will be glad to help, but you are barking up the wrong tree here with the no chip method. (unless you only play cod4)

[majorahole]

ya, ill probably end up goin witht the 12f683 way, as its a smaller chip.
i allreaduy have a willem chip programmer i used on my honda ecu chip, and they say its compatable. i was just trying to find a way to make this work, beacuse ive allready done it. oh well.

how do i find hazers hex and stuff?

[Modded Matt]

ya, ill probably end up goin witht the 12f683 way, as its a smaller chip.
i allreaduy have a willem chip programmer i used on my honda ecu chip, and they say its compatable. i was just trying to find a way to make this work, beacuse ive allready done it. oh well.

how do i find hazers hex and stuff?

]  you must modify the fire rate in the asm for cod5 change rate one to ox3f this will be for cod5, modify the asm, assemble it with mplab (free program) and the use winpic800 to program the chip (another free program)

look it the thread cod5 rapid fire on the first page of rapid fire controllers for more info.

[majorahole]

now is that installation the same as the other 12f683 chips ive seen? i cant seem to find a tut for the hazer code only?

and you said change rate one, can you tell me whiat the original value was? i just want to make sure im looking in the right place.
sorry for the inconvenience, not familiar with code

[Modded Matt]

sorry dude I made a mistake with that last link, dont use that, use this

http://forum.microchip.com/attachment.aspx?m=364122

it has all the install instructions and what not.

as for the modification if you read through the .asm you will find where it tells you to make the change

here is the origional:
;**********Speed settings: change these to change speed (0x05-0xFF)
FIRERATE1      equ      0x2F
FIRERATE2      equ      0x16
FIRERATE3      equ      0x12
FIRERATE4      equ      0x0F


here is new:

;**********Speed settings: change these to change speed (0x05-0xFF)
FIRERATE1      equ      0x3f
FIRERATE2      equ      0x4b
FIRERATE3      equ      0x46
FIRERATE4      equ      0x3c

you can play with these fire rates untill you like them, if you can convert hex to decimal, and then determine pulse wave lenght.