idea for a muti-system ACIDRock guitar controller

[TaSlAyEr]

   well it came to me last night when I got rock band 2 and had no controller to play it.
I thought what if you could get one controller to work with the ps3, Xbox360, and Wii all in one. My idea was that you could get some kind of chip program some sort of code that mimic that controller for that console. And how you would switch from console to console i would have a 3 point switch, kind of like the one on the rockband controller but it would change to the console chosen (Ex. If I was playing rock band on the 360 and wanted to play GH3 on the ps3 I would turn off the controller flip the switch to ps3 setting turn on the controller and now it a ps3 guitar controller and i can play it on the ps3). I don't know if it can be done. Hell if it can its going to take A LOT of coding and hard modded to get it working.  but if it can be done and some how it would ROCK THE WORLD!!!.

base design LOL i made this i paint

[zbblanton]

that would be awesome

about how many console u going to have it work with?

[TaSlAyEr]

that would be awesome

about how many console u going to have it work with?

wii,xbox360,ps3. it only an idea right now. I don't know if it can be done. i don't even know were to begin. like i said it's only a idea, But if i got some support from All of you guys here maybe we could make this idea into some big First off i need to know if if can be done

[802Chives]

That would be a cool mod, I would love to help you with it.  The only thing is this will not be a cheap solution by any means.  You will have to have all 3 guitars' electronics so you really wouldnt be saving any money with my soulution, just space.  But with a pic and some  transistors (a lot) we could easily get this thing going.

I can write you the code if you want to persue this

[TaSlAyEr]

That would be a cool mod, I would love to help you with it.  The only thing is this will not be a cheap solution by any means.  You will have to have all 3 guitars' electronics so you really wouldnt be saving any money with my soulution, just space.  But with a pic and some  transistors (a lot) we could easily get this thing going.

I can write you the code if you want to persue this

damn I need to get a few thing first tho before we can get this going.
first thing on the list MONEY alot of it.
ps3,wii to test it on ( i have a 360)
a bunch of wireless GH or rock band controllers. for back ups and if i want to try it for both types
i need to get a new soldering iron cuz My baby broke .
Some PICs dont know what kind so fill me in on witch on would work the best.
a pic programer some one point me to were i can find a good but cheap and a little help on how to work it cause i have no clue on to use one
transistors
some type of 3 point switch
Leds

i also can aslo try to build my own controller like this guy did
http://www.instructables.com/id/How-to-make-a-PS2-Guitar-Hero-controller-out-of-sc/

[802Chives]

you are definatly going to need a butt ton of money to get what is needed. As for pic type, 12F683, or 12F675, or just about any in the 12F or 16F series will work.

There is a Thread for programmers in the Xbox 360 page I think winpic is a free program you can use with the programmer

at least a couple dozen 3904 transistors and 1.8k resistors

the controller idea is great, as long as there isn't something special for identifying an actual guitar in the game. we can use the guts of a controller tied to the buttons in the guitar. All you will will need to start is wii guitar (I think that is best base for obvious reasons) and 360 controller. (you need to confirm it 360 controller works on game). once you get the wii controller to work on the 360 then we can go for the PS3.

[Tri-edge]

would it be easier to try to cram three guitars into one? and make switch from the batteries to power whatever board you want. 

 I would imagine there's a lot of space for the boards to be crammed into because like most of the guitar is empty space.

You should go out online and find a guitar for each system that lets you play both rockband and guitar hero on it so you can just buy 3 guitars instead of 6 and have less wiring to worry about.

EDIT:
here's one that works for both on the wii.  I don't know if it's out yet though
http://www.n4g.com/wii/News-194726.aspx
and here's a compatibility chart
http://www.gamespot.com/features/6183555/index.html

[zbblanton]

yea i dont think u need a microcontroller

actually yea u do because the wii guitars have 6 points and the ps3 and 360 have 8( i think the ps3 does)

[TaSlAyEr]

when i do get started with the prodotype ill be using just wii and 360 GH3 controller. im going to try and make the shell for this from scratch

i found this to be cool i may do this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvOuh_XYB5c

[zbblanton]

Yea the guy that made that guitar inspired me to start work on modding my guitar controller and also to make a remake of the fret boards.

yea if u nned help with the making the frets boards pm me.

[ryan0]

How are you planniing on making it with no coding knowledge?

exactly what I was going to say alien,You won't be able to make 1 chip to control this unless you got some serious coding skills.

[zbblanton]

no i plan on coding it i got some coding skills in PICbasic Pro

ive already got PICs to use the 40 pins i love them.

[802Chives]

How are you planniing on making it with no coding knowledge?

See reply #3

[Reaper]

You do realize if you replicate a 360 controller without Microsoft's consent you will be sued BIG TIME.  Thats why there aren't many wireless controllers by 3rd parties for the 360, they charge people just for access to the wireless...

[robin1989]

couldnt you do this by just making the systems comtrolers for guitar hero all hoock up to the same strummer and fret buttons and then have a switch to swith between systems

[TaSlAyEr]

couldnt you do this by just making the systems comtrolers for guitar hero all hoock up to the same strummer and fret buttons and then have a switch to swith between systems

would it be easier this way ?

[802Chives]

Do you know how to code then?
Which languages?

I code pics strictly in assembly, I have done C and Basic briefly, and can read both.  The reason I write assmebly is you have the most controll with it, and that is what these pics were designed to be programmed with.  The 18F series and higher are the only ones that microchip supports with C.  Not that it can't be done on lower series chips with C (Picc) or PicBasic, just more power than you need, and less control of what actually takes place within the micro.

A lot of you are familiar with my work "cough"acidmods store"cough" .

On that note, I don't by any means want to discourage others from working on this project, in fact the more minds the better in my opinion.  I just wanted to credit the OP with having his ducks in a row before tempting this project.

There is the outside possibility that this will work w/ out a micro, by just wiring all of the buttons with the three controllers in parrallel, and powering only the controller that is used.  However only testing will tell and it will depend on how the guitar controller designers did there designs.

A switch between the systems on the actual buttons is exactly the way project is going to pan out, however each button will need its own switch, I counted 9 buttons so if it is common ground it would take 10 switches for all the buttons or a 10 pole switch.  I would use NPNs or Mosfets(easier to control with one line) to do the switching on an enable line for each style controller.  If these controllers are more like a wireless matrix on the 360 it is possible that you would need 18 switching devices for each controller, concievably could take 54 switching devices.  But I highly doubt that it would take that, however we need a butt ton to testing to figure it all out.

Anything can be done without a micro, however the possiblilty is always good that it will save you on parts and labor.

[802Chives]

Mike does some coding in Basic, but has hit some limits that are easier surpassed in assembly.  But you are right, he is the pretty salesman, as well as a great tester, and even better think tank where ideas come from.  All in all the whole thing really is a team effort between 3 people, so I will not take all the credit, I am only one part of the team responsible for the best rapid fire available

[Tri-edge]

couldnt you do this by just making the systems comtrolers for guitar hero all hoock up to the same strummer and fret buttons and then have a switch to swith between systems

That's what I said

[TaSlAyEr]

That's what I said

i know that you said that before but i didn't say anything

so your saying it will take 54! SWITCH DAMN this is not going to be a walk in the park

[PspKicks316]

Robin's idea is the easiest...you don't need multiple pics, or coding knowledge, or anything. Hook them all up to the same fret board and the same betteries and have one of those triple dual pole switches (lol I don't know the name XD it's like this:   : : : I have a bunch) to switch between the 3.

[Tri-edge]

Robin's idea is the easiest...you don't need multiple pics, or coding knowledge, or anything. Hook them all up to the same fret board and the same betteries and have one of those triple dual pole switches (lol I don't know the name XD it's like this:   : : : I have a bunch) to switch between the 3.

You know I said it first right?  >.>

[PspKicks316]

Fine. Your idea >_>;;

[dawar10ck]

You do realize if you replicate a 360 controller without Microsoft's consent you will be sued BIG TIME.  Thats why there aren't many wireless controllers by 3rd parties for the 360, they charge people just for access to the wireless...

as long as you are not selling the product you can not be sued. once you buy somethign you own it and you can do anything you want. if you wanted you could buy a ferrari and drive it off a cliff if you wanted. you cant get sued for taht but if you make a ferrari and sell it as a ferrari you can be sued

[PspKicks316]

Wrong

Right.

Just because you buy something, doesn't give you the legal rights to modify it however you so choose to.
It's still Microsoft's/Sony's/Nintendo's preprty per say.

[ryan0]

*ahem* Microsoft own the patents for the rf technology they use for their controllers,reverse engineering this technology would land you straight in court.
If you own a 360 controller it doesn't give you the right to replicate or reverse engineer their technology.He is not talking about modifying a controller,but rather creating a chip that replicates the controller/makes the 360 detect it as a controller.This is not a grey area it is 100% illegal to reverse engineer the technology that goes into those controller and owning one does not give you the rights over the technology itself.

[LaCozTe-2028]

How come dark alex hasent had any problemes

[bustinthejustin]

He has... Which is why at one point he "quit" or something.