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controller repair not going well
« on: April 08, 2023, 10:56:08 PM »
in the process of replacing my joysticks on a xbox series controller c26 and c307 broke off and now the triggers are reading as always pressed and the left joystick cant reach 100% on left on up direction. could the broken capacitors be causing this and if so where can I get replacements?
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Re: controller repair not going well
« Reply #1 on: April 11, 2023, 11:39:24 AM »
Neither of those caps missing will cause those issues. Post good pics of your board.
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Re: controller repair not going well
« Reply #2 on: April 13, 2023, 01:44:59 PM »
how do I do that? I don't see a way to add an image
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Re: controller repair not going well
« Reply #3 on: April 15, 2023, 11:33:38 AM »
Upload the image(s) to any of a dozen sites that are for that, then post the link.
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Re: controller repair not going well
« Reply #4 on: April 15, 2023, 11:52:31 AM »
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Re: controller repair not going well
« Reply #5 on: April 15, 2023, 12:27:52 PM »
OK, good pics meant in focus pics. I can't make out anything that is screaming there's an issue, even from those, but it's really a PITA to try and diagnose blurs. Give that solder flux a cleaning with some rubbing alcohol and a few Q-tips also.

The Triggers are kind of their own thing, for them to both have an issue I'd suspect a problem around C3, C32, C33, C35, C37, R38, R40, U9, U10, U11, or an issue with the MCU. You can also try seeing if the controller needs a Firmware update. If C307 tore the pad up, then U9 would get no power and there would be Trigger issues, but that' doesn't look like it in that pic.
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Re: controller repair not going well
« Reply #6 on: April 15, 2023, 11:40:00 PM »
I couldn't find anything wrong with the things you listed. I did upload a new pic to the folder with a closer and more focused look at the broken c307 if that helps.
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Re: controller repair not going well
« Reply #7 on: April 16, 2023, 03:46:38 AM »
Around C307 looks fine. At C26 though that kind of looks shorted, though all that would do is make the LSC button act pressed all the time.

What voltages are on U10 and U11 there?
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Re: controller repair not going well
« Reply #8 on: May 02, 2023, 09:47:31 PM »
Quote from: RDC on April 16, 2023, 03:46:38 AM
Around C307 looks fine. At C26 though that kind of looks shorted, though all that would do is make the LSC button act pressed all the time.

What voltages are on U10 and U11 there?
hi friend help me, my elite 1 1698 controler LT and RT are pressed, i have 0.07v both u10 u11
now i trying your post:

https://www.acidmods.com/forum/index.php/topic,43988.msg327601.html#msg327601

Are R37 and R41 shorted?
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Re: controller repair not going well
« Reply #9 on: May 03, 2023, 08:48:49 AM »
R37 and R41 are 0 ohms, just jumpers.

Check the voltages at spot to the left of TP84, the one above TP84 and the one above TP98.

You really need a scope to see what is going on there.
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Re: controller repair not going well
« Reply #10 on: May 03, 2023, 09:57:29 AM »
in the U9, upper terminals you say? left of TP84 i have 1,65v right i have 0.61v

u9 under terminals Left i have 0,7v , right i have 0v

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Re: controller repair not going well
« Reply #11 on: May 03, 2023, 11:00:23 AM »
What voltages are on the 3 pins of U10/U11?

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Re: controller repair not going well
« Reply #12 on: May 03, 2023, 11:31:26 AM »
xbox one Elite
u10
pin 1 0.07
pin 2 0.00
pin 3 0.00

c33 near u10 not shorted 0.07v

same u10 and u11 :cry2:
 
u11
pin 1 0.07
pin 2 0.00
pin 3 0.00

c37 near u11 not shorted  0.07v


i have a xbox one fat controler opened here for compare, LT and RT is ok, so i compare..

on xbox one fat controle i have

u10 and 11

pin 1 1.26v
pin 2 0.25v
pin 3 0.00v

u9 terminals
up        left 3.26v up rigth 0.60v
under   left 1.26v  under rigth 0.00v

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Re: controller repair not going well
« Reply #13 on: May 03, 2023, 11:38:37 AM »
That's conflicting info. If you have 1.65v to the left of TP84, but 0v on pin, then either R37 and R41 are open, or you have some damaged traces to both Hall sensors, or both Hall sensors are bad.
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Re: controller repair not going well
« Reply #14 on: May 03, 2023, 11:52:58 AM »
maybe Hall sensors are bad, can i use a jump  near  TP84 to hall?


yeah bro!  U9 terminals, i see 4 terminals

up      left 1.65v up right 0,61v
under left 0.07 under right 0,00v

is diferente voltage comparing a xbox one fat controler U9
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Re: controller repair not going well
« Reply #15 on: May 03, 2023, 12:00:01 PM »
Connect the red dots with a jumper wire and see if LT works.


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Re: controller repair not going well
« Reply #16 on: May 03, 2023, 12:15:46 PM »
i try your jumper but i have 0.07v near TP84 , this U9 get only 1.65v upside and sending 0.07 and underside

mayber this U9 is dead or  something wrong happening before U9.

half is arriving and half is leaving in elite controler  U9 comparing a U9 xbox one fat crontoler , need solve this problem i think
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Re: controller repair not going well
« Reply #17 on: May 03, 2023, 12:21:15 PM »
You have a 3.3v issue then. Test the top board alone, plugged in with USB cable, and make sure it outputs 3.3v first.
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Re: controller repair not going well
« Reply #18 on: May 03, 2023, 12:53:34 PM »
all controler is ok now, i change left analogic but a new,, he had broken traces, i use your jump schematic, now its  the problem is only LT and RT are 100% pressed. Maybe when i  separating the mcu something broke, LT RT are normal berofe this. :cry2:
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Re: controller repair not going well
« Reply #19 on: May 03, 2023, 12:59:07 PM »
Pin 4 of U9 is supposed to be 3.3v, the top/left pin in the pic I posted. If U9 was bad pulling the 3.3v line down to 1.6v, then all of the 3.3v in the controller would be 1.6v You could try jumpering the top of C34 to 3.3v and see what happens, but I'd want to know where that 1.6v is coming from.
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Re: controller repair not going well
« Reply #20 on: May 03, 2023, 02:26:46 PM »
on the unplugged main board I have

J1/J5 Connector Pinout 8 = 4.94v
J2/J6 Connector Pinout 1 = 2,94v  pin4 3.28v

i need to checkdo reverse way on this U9, he comes from C34 and goes to the other side of the board
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Re: controller repair not going well
« Reply #21 on: May 04, 2023, 04:19:17 AM »
i found the problem bro! :rofl:

broken track or rust underneath C34,  now i have 3,26v on u10 and u11 , LT RT are normal.
i removed it, scratched and soldered a bridge c34 to u9, now i need way to solder a c34 again without damaging the bridge.

I tried to post a picture in hopes of helping someone, thank you very much boss!


https://flic.kr/ps/42bnTM
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Re: controller repair not going well
« Reply #22 on: May 04, 2023, 04:24:11 AM »
Welcome.

C34 isn't really necessary, it's just another decoupling cap on the 3.3v rail and there are plenty of those in there.
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