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Title: Rapid fire w/ 555 timer.. NOT X-S rf tut
Post by: bill16504 on July 29, 2008, 03:25:24 PM
I found this rapid fire mod quite awhile back using a low current 555 timer. These pics aren't mine, and I can't find who originally posted them, so I can't give proper credit. I've made quite a few of these and they work well.

555 timer - low current
22k resistor
1k resistor
0.1 uF cap

(https://acidmods.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi40.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fe220%2Fbill16504%2F555top.jpg&hash=febe0e386505403af1126012ce8b7e6c4048d761)

(https://acidmods.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi40.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fe220%2Fbill16504%2F555bottom.jpg&hash=b0956816d1632853a9b0e1e1eed7a8537bfe20b2)
Title: Re: Rapid fire w/ 555 timer.. NOT X-S rf tut
Post by: kink192 on July 29, 2008, 06:42:19 PM
welcome to acidmods, nice job, soldering looks clean, at first i was wondering where the resistor from 6 to 7 is then i noticed it was on the bottom. give us a vid of it working please.
Title: Re: Rapid fire w/ 555 timer.. NOT X-S rf tut
Post by: bill16504 on July 29, 2008, 09:38:05 PM
No no... those aren't my pics, I don't want credit where credit isn't due. I posted them because I though they'd make a good reference for anyone who wanted to try making one. Here's a pic of mine:



(https://acidmods.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi40.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fe220%2Fbill16504%2Frapidfire007.jpg&hash=de2a9c02bad2163986f7dbb4f012272ca6ce113e)



As for a vid... I'm working on that. I make and sell xims (xbox input machine) and I want to make a vid of it's use. I just need to get a new camcorder.
Title: Re: Rapid fire w/ 555 timer.. NOT X-S rf tut
Post by: Nemesis on July 30, 2008, 03:29:11 AM
looks awesome, much easier than XS tut as here there are less components
thanks
Title: Re: Rapid fire w/ 555 timer.. NOT X-S rf tut
Post by: thm ov3rkill on July 30, 2008, 07:12:22 AM
think you might still can keep the rumble motors theres lots of places to put that in because it doesent look as big as llamas.
Title: Re: Rapid fire w/ 555 timer.. NOT X-S rf tut
Post by: bill16504 on July 30, 2008, 08:34:35 AM
That pic is of one of the first ones I did. The larger rumble motor sits on that side and the weight JUST clears the mod. For mods after that, I moved it over to the other side where the small rumble motor is.
Title: Re: Rapid fire w/ 555 timer.. NOT X-S rf tut
Post by: kink192 on July 30, 2008, 09:10:23 AM
umm chief...wheres the push button, thats kinda important when using a 555 otherwise it gonna be constant rapid fire.

p.s. if you dont mind pm me explaining the xim's im curious
Title: Re: Rapid fire w/ 555 timer.. NOT X-S rf tut
Post by: rulemob on July 30, 2008, 11:23:02 AM
Iwas wondering if you could hook two buttons to this mod? just input both buttons to pin3? Wil this work on old and new?
Title: Re: Rapid fire w/ 555 timer.. NOT X-S rf tut
Post by: redryno1221 on July 30, 2008, 11:53:26 AM
yes you can hook up to buttons and it will work with both controllers

good job Bill16504 :tup:
Title: Re: Rapid fire w/ 555 timer.. NOT X-S rf tut
Post by: bill16504 on July 30, 2008, 09:44:32 PM
umm chief...wheres the push button, thats kinda important when using a 555 otherwise it gonna be constant rapid fire.

p.s. if you dont mind pm me explaining the xim's im curious

Follow the white wires. It's hard to see it in the shadow, but the switch is glued there. I don't use those big Radio Shack switches. I get all my parts from Mouser and I use small tactile switches.


The xim allows you to use a mouse and keyboard on a 360 or PS3 and allows you to fully map you keyboard. Yes, the XFPS will allow you to on the 360, but those things are crap used alone.


(https://acidmods.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi40.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fe220%2Fbill16504%2Frapidfire002.jpg&hash=567eddccbf719fe6e3113d7d62a742faede3eb99)

(https://acidmods.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi40.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fe220%2Fbill16504%2Frapidfire003.jpg&hash=b380b5eedac9d7fd7d16a8316a9c92918e6efc7c)
Title: Re: Rapid fire w/ 555 timer.. NOT X-S rf tut
Post by: kink192 on July 31, 2008, 10:00:58 AM
oh ok, sorry dude, my screen is old and bunk so all the dark stuff i cant see. but it looks good, really clean. and the tact. switch is barely noticeable so your buds wont know you have it
Title: Re: Rapid fire w/ 555 timer.. NOT X-S rf tut
Post by: redryno1221 on August 01, 2008, 09:07:23 PM
Hey bill what is the mouser part # for the .1uf cap
Title: Re: Rapid fire w/ 555 timer.. NOT X-S rf tut
Post by: bill16504 on August 02, 2008, 07:03:44 AM
581-TAP104K035SCS

http://www.mouser.com/Search/ProductDetail.aspx?R=TAP104K035SCSvirtualkey58110000virtualkey581-TAP104K035SCS
Title: Re: Rapid fire w/ 555 timer.. NOT X-S rf tut
Post by: IDontGetHowtoWire on August 02, 2008, 07:15:41 AM
Thats good?!
Title: Re: Rapid fire w/ 555 timer.. NOT X-S rf tut
Post by: PspKicks316 on August 02, 2008, 11:28:43 AM
Thats good?!
WTF?

If you want, here all of the RadioShack part numbers for the DUAL rapid fire using the CMOS555 timer.

R1 - 10k Ohm - 271-1335
R2 - 100k Ohm - 271-1347
R3 - 1k8(1.8k) Ohm - ***
R4 - 100 Ohm - 271-1311
R5 - 220 Ohm - 271-1313
D1 - 1N914 - 276-1122
P1(variable resistor) - 100k Ohm - 271-284
C1 - 1uF(Tantalum) - 272-1434
C2 - .1uF( - 272-1053
PB1 - Momentary(N.O.) - 275-1547
T1 - NPN - 276-1617
T2 - PNP - 276-1604

***Radioshack doesn't have these but you can wire a 1k ohm,330 ohm, and 470 ohm resistors together instead.

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(I'm not trying to hijack the thread, I'm just trying to help out. If you want this removed just ask lol)
Title: Re: Rapid fire w/ 555 timer.. NOT X-S rf tut
Post by: pistolpete3521 on August 02, 2008, 10:23:04 PM
I have read this over and over, but I have one simple question. Is it faster than the two wire/tact switch method or the same, and the same question for the spitfire controllers. what is the comparison?
Title: Re: Rapid fire w/ 555 timer.. NOT X-S rf tut
Post by: kink192 on August 04, 2008, 10:10:48 AM
I have read this over and over, but I have one simple question. Is it faster than the two wire/tact switch method or the same, and the same question for the spitfire controllers. what is the comparison?

its up to you, best thing about a 555 is the variable part, i forget which one it is but if you replace one of the resistors with a variable resistor you can control speed, get it so fast that as soon as you press the button your clip is gone, or slower then normal fire.
Title: Re: Rapid fire w/ 555 timer.. NOT X-S rf tut
Post by: PspKicks316 on August 04, 2008, 10:13:41 AM
Adam, it goes from 3.5 to 6.8 per second, it had a pot on there already. It's labeled P1
Title: Re: Rapid fire w/ 555 timer.. NOT X-S rf tut
Post by: kink192 on August 04, 2008, 02:31:57 PM
i see that now chris, but i wasnt referring to your schematic though, i was meaning the 555 in general XP
Title: Re: Rapid fire w/ 555 timer.. NOT X-S rf tut
Post by: Crazy Germans on August 07, 2008, 04:42:44 PM
where would you put the pot on the first schematic in order to change the speed?
Title: Re: Rapid fire w/ 555 timer.. NOT X-S rf tut
Post by: PspKicks316 on August 07, 2008, 05:32:40 PM
where would you put the pot on the first schematic in order to change the speed?
This is the SAME exact thing as the one in the other thread below this that we just proved not working. Don't bother wasting your time. I'll talk to Mike later about the 555 timer, he told me he'd try to work on it for me. Don't know if he got to it yet though.
Title: Re: Rapid fire w/ 555 timer.. NOT X-S rf tut
Post by: Crazy Germans on August 07, 2008, 07:04:14 PM
This is the SAME exact thing as the one in the other thread below this that we just proved not working. Don't bother wasting your time. I'll talk to Mike later about the 555 timer, he told me he'd try to work on it for me. Don't know if he got to it yet though.
I just did this one today.  IT WORKS.  I'm sure the other one works too, but I think I must've done something wrong.
Title: Re: Rapid fire w/ 555 timer.. NOT X-S rf tut
Post by: SillyNuts on August 07, 2008, 08:54:17 PM
and no this is not the same on ppl this uses a cmost low volt timer mine uses a cn time and this also uses dif comps. as well the only thing that would be the same is the jumpers dont say somthing dont work if you dont know what you are talking about ok ? thanks
Title: Re: Rapid fire w/ 555 timer.. NOT X-S rf tut
Post by: PspKicks316 on August 07, 2008, 08:58:23 PM
I don't have breadboard to test it with...and it looks too confusing just going by the pics to be able to just wire it. Thanks for letting us know it works though!
and no this is not the same on ppl this uses a cmost low volt timer mine uses a cn time and this also uses dif comps. as well the only thing that would be the same is the jumpers dont say somthing dont work if you dont know what you are talking about ok ? thanks
Will you STOP telling me I DON'T KNOW STUFF? THANK YOU.
Title: Re: Rapid fire w/ 555 timer.. NOT X-S rf tut
Post by: Crazy Germans on August 07, 2008, 09:18:12 PM
I don't have breadboard to test it with...and it looks too confusing just going by the pics to be able to just wire it. Thanks for letting us know it works though!Will you STOP telling me I DON'T KNOW STUFF? THANK YOU.
Don't say it doesn't work, if you've never tried it.  k thanks  :cool:
Title: Re: Rapid fire w/ 555 timer.. NOT X-S rf tut
Post by: PspKicks316 on August 07, 2008, 09:23:39 PM
Dude. Omfg.Shut up.
Title: Re: Rapid fire w/ 555 timer.. NOT X-S rf tut
Post by: bill16504 on August 07, 2008, 09:39:46 PM
This is the SAME exact thing as the one in the other thread below this that we just proved not working. Don't bother wasting your time. I'll talk to Mike later about the 555 timer, he told me he'd try to work on it for me. Don't know if he got to it yet though.


Ahhh... which one are you saying you proved not working? The original one this thread is about?
Title: Re: Rapid fire w/ 555 timer.. NOT X-S rf tut
Post by: Crazy Germans on August 07, 2008, 09:54:57 PM

Ahhh... which one are you saying you proved not working? The original one this thread is about?
Neither have been proved wrong.  I even did this one today and it works fine.
Title: Re: Rapid fire w/ 555 timer.. NOT X-S rf tut
Post by: PspKicks316 on August 07, 2008, 10:13:07 PM

Ahhh... which one are you saying you proved not working? The original one this thread is about?
You should probably read the posts AFTER that comment.
Title: Re: Rapid fire w/ 555 timer.. NOT X-S rf tut
Post by: Crazy Germans on August 07, 2008, 10:56:04 PM
I got this one working, but does anyone know where to put the pot on this one?  That one guy says you can do it, and I'd like to turn up the speed cuz right now the speed of the needler and plasma rifle and all that stuff is the same.  Just better accuracy.
Title: Re: Rapid fire w/ 555 timer.. NOT X-S rf tut
Post by: aditya on August 07, 2008, 11:18:02 PM
I got this one working, but does anyone know where to put the pot on this one?  That one guy says you can do it, and I'd like to turn up the speed cuz right now the speed of the needler and plasma rifle and all that stuff is the same.  Just better accuracy.


IN HALO u cant speed up the shooting ( i dont think) only make the accuracy better only one u can speed up the shooting is in cod4 and thats what these rapidfires were made for but for halo its ment for accuracy only thing that is rapidfire is the turret starting up faster then normal... thats all that is in halo..
Title: Re: Rapid fire w/ 555 timer.. NOT X-S rf tut
Post by: PspKicks316 on August 07, 2008, 11:36:33 PM

IN HALO u cant speed up the shooting ( i dont think) only make the accuracy better only one u can speed up the shooting is in cod4 and thats what these rapidfires were made for but for halo its ment for accuracy only thing that is rapidfire is the turret starting up faster then normal... thats all that is in halo..
Uhm...no. You're wrong. Ask KingMike, he got rapidfire working (faster shooting) in halo3
Title: Re: Rapid fire w/ 555 timer.. NOT X-S rf tut
Post by: Winterz117 on August 16, 2008, 08:50:02 PM
really? im thinking im gona do this tomarrow on one controller, and then go with mikes chip on another controller...but im very interested in variable speed with a pot... can someone elaborate on this, and maybe include a diagram for reference as i am easily confused
Title: Re: Rapid fire w/ 555 timer.. NOT X-S rf tut
Post by: Arsic on August 16, 2008, 10:31:26 PM
I've made 555 timers before, but would this work on any wireless controller? No old/new board styles or anything.
Title: Re: Rapid fire w/ 555 timer.. NOT X-S rf tut
Post by: Winterz117 on August 17, 2008, 05:09:06 AM
yeah i think so... but im going to radioshach today to buy the stuff for this, does anybody have a clear diagram or picture of where the wires from the chip go on the controller? i can kinda see from the picture but its really unclear
Title: Re: Rapid fire w/ 555 timer.. NOT X-S rf tut
Post by: mikerzt on August 20, 2008, 12:46:10 PM
it would be nice if there was a diagram too. those pictures are nice but i'd like to see where each is going to.
Title: Re: Rapid fire w/ 555 timer.. NOT X-S rf tut
Post by: Winterz117 on August 20, 2008, 06:40:42 PM
go to silly nuts's topic on page 4 there are some clear pictures. they helped me make mine :P
Title: Re: Rapid fire w/ 555 timer.. NOT X-S rf tut
Post by: mingmaster on September 01, 2008, 05:23:21 AM
Hi All
I have tried building the dual version and it didnt work for me....Well it did and it didnt lol. When i pressed the right rapid fire button i got nothing but when i touched the metal case of my switch it did work....It seemed i had 2 live feeds going into the switch. It was probably something i did wrong because im really new to this electronics thing.......
Ok.
So i moved on for an easier version and found this thread.
I just have one question. "Does the + of the .1 capacitor go to number 1 or number 2 of the 555 timer.
Many thanks.
Title: Re: Rapid fire w/ 555 timer.. NOT X-S rf tut
Post by: bimmerman29 on September 16, 2008, 05:41:45 PM
i did this mod today and compared it to my ebay chip this mod was alot better and fast  :censored: ing awesome
Title: Re: Rapid fire w/ 555 timer.. NOT X-S rf tut
Post by: dvalle07 on September 17, 2008, 09:01:51 PM
So there is no need for a npn, is that correct?
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