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Anonymous, Hackers, Citizens: Know Your Rights!
« on: July 24, 2011, 07:08:57 AM »


After the FBI executed more than 35 search warrants and arrested 16 for "alleged roles in cyber attacks," aka possibly members of Anonymous  who launched DDoS or other hack attacks, I stumbled upon an interesting ASK Reddit thread which was supposedly posted by a parent of a 13-year-old who was a target of the FBI raid.
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"FBI raided my house with a search warrant today (20 agents, guns drawn) because they seem to believe my 13 year old son was an integral part of the ANON ddos attack on Paypal......"

After talking to Rebecca Jeschke of the EFF, the "key" here for anyone who might encounter the police in terms of potentially being involved with Anonymous....Either print out or memorize the EFF's Tips for Talking to the Police [PDF]. (See also "ISPs Fight Piracy: Meet the Six Strikes.")

Do not consent to a search but do ask to see the warrant. If you agree to a search, they don't need a warrant. You have a right to see a warrant and to make sure only the areas listed in the warrant are searched. You can stay silent as it's not required that you say anything to help out the search. Do not hand over your encryption key or password voluntarily. Don't lie though, it's a crime, as is destroying evidence, physically interfering or otherwise obstructing a search. Talk to an attorney.

What might your lawyer say? Do not ever talk to the police or other law enforcement entity! This is a super long video, but watching it in full would be great wisdom since you might be a bit flustered if suddenly flooded by feds with guns drawn. If you don't have a spare 49 minutes, then here's a picture summing up your Constitutional rights. In regards to those rights, be polite to law enforcement, but be wise because if you say anything . . . it can come back to bite you hard. Let your attorney do the talking or advise you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nuc&

When I asked the EFF, "I thought a person is not the same thing as an IP?" Well . . . here's what the EFF said, "The difference here has to do with two things: civil versus criminal, and accusation versus result. For example, the Ars story has a judge refusing to enter a judgment (a final ruling) because the IP wasn't identifiable enough (and the defendant did not appear in court to answer to the complaint). In these cases, these folks have been arrested (not convicted) and it's conceivable that one of their defenses might be that someone else was using the IP address or that the investigators got it wrong somehow."

There was a Pastebin notice about getting legal assistance for those arrested thus far in the FBI raids of alleged Anonymous members. According to Barrett Brown, "The National Lawyer's Guild has directed me to notify those arrested today in the U.S. that the organization is prepared to provide assistance."

In an interview with NPR, Steven Chabinsky, deputy head of the FBI's cyber division, said, "We want to send a message that chaos on the Internet is unacceptable. . . . The Internet has become so important to so many people that we have to ensure that the World Wide Web does not become the Wild Wild West." Chabinsky added, "That's where the 'hacktivism,' even if currently viewed by some as a nuisance, shows the potential to be destabilizing."

Anonymous said in response to the FBI and law authorities internationally, "You can't arrest an idea." In addition, Anonymous said what the group finds unacceptable:

    * Governments lying to their citizens and inducing fear and terror to keep them in control by dismantling their freedom piece by piece.

    * Corporations aiding and conspiring with said governments while taking advantage at the same time by collecting billions of funds for federal contracts we all know they can't fulfill.

    * Lobby conglomerates who only follow their agenda to push the profits higher, while at the same time being deeply involved in governments around the world with the only goal to infiltrate and corrupt them enough so the status quo will never change.

Much like the hacktivism movement of the 90s, in which law enforcement did crack down, Anonymous said the attempt to "arrest an idea" will "make your citizens more angry until they will roar in one gigantic choir." That hacktivism movement, according to the hacking collective Anonymous, is back and not going to disappear. "Expect us."

All in all, 21 were arrested internationally on Tuesday. I cannot recommend strongly enough how much you must Know Your Rights!

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Re: Anonymous, Hackers, Citizens: Know Your Rights!
« Reply #1 on: July 24, 2011, 09:42:47 AM »
Miranda Rights FTW. I love America.

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Re: Anonymous, Hackers, Citizens: Know Your Rights!
« Reply #2 on: July 24, 2011, 02:07:27 PM »
The IP could have been mirrored, and this 13 year old kid could just be the unlucky kid who the Feds arrested on a false pretense of that IP in question.
I know that would be my defense. Even if I had to show the judge how to make an IP address look like someone elses.

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Re: Anonymous, Hackers, Citizens: Know Your Rights!
« Reply #3 on: July 24, 2011, 02:42:47 PM »
well if the kid used tor he could have been one of the unlucky ones that took that one ip but if he was a hacker dame must have been good but not that good since he was busted
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Re: Anonymous, Hackers, Citizens: Know Your Rights!
« Reply #4 on: July 24, 2011, 05:27:37 PM »
I'm not surprised that there are false convictions because of recycled IP addresses. This would only be true for IP v4 since there are just over 4 billion combinations [4.3×109].
But for IP v6 on the contrary there are a total combination of about [3.4×1038]

IP v4 has a greater likelyhood of recycled IPs, plus today the average person have about six devices connected to the internet, that's six IPs for each person.







(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPv6)

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