Einstien is Proven Wrong!?

[FOOKz™]

    Physicists at the European Organization for Nuclear Research (CERN), the world's largest physics lab, said Thursday they have measured a special particle called neutrinos traveling faster than light. That's something that violates Einstein's 1905 special theory of relativity. The famous E = M C² equation says it just doesn't happen.

    The data was measured in a particle detector named Oscillation Project with Emulsion tRacking Apparatus (OPERA). Lurking in Italy’s subterranean Gran Sasso National Laboratory, "OPERA" attempts to detect neutrinos fired from the European particle physics laboratory, CERN through the earth! As the particles hardly interact at all with "normal" matter, neutrinos can fly right through the ground with few lost. As the neutrinos travel they will hit an atom at the right point and bounce off and lose energy. The detector at OPERA is built from gold detectors designed to sense when a neutrino hits the nucleus of a gold atom, when a gold atom is struck the computer senses a change in electrical conductance. ^{[1] [2]}

Inside of the OPERA detector. Each detector is covered in Gold Foil

    Over three years, OPERA researchers timed the roughly 16,000 neutrinos that started at CERN and registered a hit in the detector. They found that, on average, the neutrinos made the 730-kilometer, 2.43-millisecond trip roughly 60 nanoseconds faster than expected if they were traveling at light speed. “It’s a straightforward time-of-flight measurement,” says Antonio Ereditato, a physicist at the University of Bern and spokesperson for the 160-member OPERA collaboration. “We measure the distance and we measure the time, and we take the ratio to get the velocity, just as you learned to do in high school.” Ereditato says the uncertainty in the measurement is 10 nanoseconds. ^[3][4]

This is the map of the electron neutrinos striking the OPERA detectors.

    Right now physicists all over are declaring that it is too early to prove The Theory of Relativity wrong already. People are skeptical since the CERN researchers who conducted the experiment allowed loose tolerances up to 10 nanoseconds during the experiment. It is all about timing, timing is so crucial in this case because they measured the neutrinos a few nanoseconds faster than light. ^[3]





Citations & References:
[1] http://www.nu.to.infn.it/exp/all/opera/
[2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OPERA_experiment
[3] http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2011/09/neutrinos-faster-than-light
[4] http://press.web.cern.ch/press/PressReleases/Releases2010/PR08.10E.html

http://neutrino.kek.jp/figures-j.html [images]

[GhoSt]

Well written.

[1TONpete]

Nice job Fookz. I think it is a lil early to say that Einstien was wrong, but I would not rule it out. Hawking tried to prove he was wrong before too, I believe.

[Crumbz]

Nice Article.

But dont forget that Einstien may have been wrong about his theory. because we are only seeing his point of view on the subject.

So maybe in reality he made a mistake that could have cost us alot of lost progress.

Who knows what we could have acomplished if his theory had been diffrent?

[FOOKz™]

Nice job Fookz. I think it is a lil early to say that Einstien was wrong, but I would not rule it out. Hawking tried to prove he was wrong before too, I believe.

Hawking tried to compliment Einstein's theory. The Two theories of Relativity and Quantum Mechanic Theory, basically the big and the small respectively were both combined by Hawking Radiation Theory. Hawking explains "free space particles" (dont know what they're called) that appear and disappear in "empty space", they are a pair of opposite charged particles that neutralize each other creating free space. BUT the event horizon of a black hole will rip the particles away from each other preventing them from combining and neutralizing. The particle that gets sucked into the black hole has Anti-mass and the particle that doesnt get sucked in is just mass. The emitted particle is seen as Hawking Radiation. The other particle that gets sucked in neutralizes the black hole's mass and eventually explodes as a super nova then forms nebulas/galaxies.

;p

Nice Article.

But dont forget that Einstien may have been wrong about his theory. because we are only seeing his point of view on the subject.

So maybe in reality he made a mistake that could have cost us alot of lost progress.

Who knows what we could have acomplished if his theory had been diffrent?

Well it is obvious in some maths that Einstein was wrong about gravity from the start at a quantum level only. Neutrinos are quantum world level, weak nuclear, and gravitational particles, this is probably why there was a measured difference of speed. The 4 elemetal forces, gravity, weaknuclear, strong nuclear, and electromagnetic at the quantum scales will not match up. When the super-symmetry of all 4 forces were broken at the "big bang" or when string theory's "brane collision", or whatever you what to call the origin of the universe, I believe that on tiny scales some of gravity's force was lost due to it converting to another because the universe was infinitely small back in the day.

But you might say well photon particles travel the speed of light, because it is light. Why do neutrinos travel faster? Well neutrinos have mass and photons do not. My point is small scale particles do not follow traditional laws of Relativity because of their size. Also electron neutrinos leave a wake in their path (the ones they detected), so it will act like a wave and a particle with mass, unlike photons.





_{HA! i need to stop talking im going to sound like a dork.}

[1TONpete]

This also brings up another point and that is the string theory. Which could explain why things are different on such a small level. And thank you Fookz for refreshing my brain on the Hawking stuff. Its been a while since physics class.

[FOOKz™]

If you all are familiar with the periodic table of elements. well heres something like that-- its called the "3 generations of matter" or "Elementary particles".





I just think that is interesting.

[crashmasher]

Very interesting

[PsychoticWolf]

Oh god I just had a nerdgasm! I love topics like this. I LOVE this 

_{HA! i need to stop talking im going to sound like a dork.}

You do.

[Nevbox]

Happened a while back far as I remember, I think some newspapers stirred the story up again.

[RyanF]

_{HA! i need to stop talking im going to sound like a dork.}

you are already there 

EDIT: I just noticed that your title here is E = M C².  This could be in need of a change soon

[Phantom]

science is always changing... theories being just that, years later finding out they are incorrect, forever changing, and never proven.

im still waiting for these scientists to try and tell me why we are here in the first place.

[FOOKz™]

TBH i don't think we ever really will figure out where we came from.

[Nevbox]

People want to see this done again, also some people think it went into a different universe and took a short cut

[hyper999]

I mentioned this to my physics teacher today and we ended up spending the entire lesson discussing it haha.

[BUDDHA_123]

I think I've just lost all sanity.... all ive ever thought to belive is proven wrong!!!!! oh god!!! jfdg AKJSDBJasd oh jeez I just lost my mind... no wait its in my lap... were good

[hyper999]

Well we ended up spending another hour discussing this today. My physics teacher (he has a PHD) is very sceptical about this.

Also something for everyone to think about, we worked out that in order for their findings to be correct they have to have measured the distance between the labs in Italy and Switzerland with an error of less than 0.18m...

[PsychoticWolf]

im still waiting for these scientists to try and tell me why we are here in the first place.

Anunnaki

[FOOKz™]

Anunnaki

Please. LA LA LA LA LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU

[1TONpete]

via chef in shout:

# Chef Boyardee:
# and now for the skeptics http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45381655/ns/technology_and_science-science/t/study-rejects-claims-about-faster-than-light-neutrinos/#.TusLULK5OYE
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