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Console Modding------ ( Here you can talk about your favorite Consoles ) => XBOX 360 => 360 Controllers / 360 Rapid Fire Controllers => Topic started by: SillyNuts on August 27, 2008, 02:07:15 PM
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(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xn8F6H5M_EE)
Works on: Wireless / wired / cheepys
Parts List
1k Res: 271-1321
22k Res: 271-1339
555cn Timer: 276-1723
.01uf Cap: 272-1065
10k Pot: 271-282
Ok after not being able to sleep and talking to mike on the phone he found a way to do the sleeper for my 555 chip.
1. take the rapid out put (pin 3 on my chip)
2. add a 1k res to it
3. wire the other end of the 1k res to the base (pin 2 of the npn) on the npn tans (middle pin) Any npn will work i used the asorted pack part nuber # 276-1617
4. pin 1 of the npn trans will go to the buttom pin of the trigger
5. pin 3 of the npn trans will go to the middle pin trigger.
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sorry for the lame pin out ill will redo the tut with the new video of the sleeper working tomm. as it is 3:00am here and im half a sleep.
Thansk mike :whoosh:
i will edit this post with the videos. and sleeper pinout after mike and i get done hope today or tomm. hope this is a lil easyer to follow for yall.
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so the pot will adjustthe resistance, thus changing the fire rate? will this make your method work in halo 3?
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yep.
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wheres the button to control on/off, with that schematic it shows always on
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the sleeper is not posted yet that will be posted on this thread today or tomm.
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Nice. Im looking to mode my other controller. Can't wait.
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ive got another question..sorry for being such a pain, but youve got the 22k resistor and the pot wired in parallel. the current is going to take the fastest path from neg to pos, if the pot is lower then the 22k the electrons will take the pot, if the pot is higher then 22k then the electrons are going to flow through the resistor. basically your making the resistance between pin 6 and 7 22k or lower. just something i noticed and am very curious about
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lol kink you are thinking to hard. do it on a solderless bb and test it ;) watch and see.
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i always over think, lol, but ill take your word that it works [i dont have the parts or money to buy the parts to test] but i just think the 22k resistor is not needed
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Ok 555 Timer Is now Works on Trigger and no external switch needed Works & Tested Last night :tup:
Now all we have to do add a On/off Switch to enable 555 Time and wire up to sync and you got your self
a sleeper rapid fire Kit Like Ours but from radio shack parts.
Ps: Sillynut Your Diagrams Are Hard To Fallow Let Me Help You.
Diagram Below Just a 555 Timer On a Trigger No [On/Off] Switch on it Yet for Sync.
(https://acidmods.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi167.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fu136%2Fkingmike_001%2F555Trigger.png&hash=79d75da3838a2ccf3f4c7ea5cc787b31680691f7)
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i have my 555 on a wired controller, is it possible to do this on the wired?
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This is still the regular 555 timer and not the low power 555, right?
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this is the 555 timer ic yes no cmos. cmos will not work for my chip setup
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hey guys, i need some help on this mod. when i use a battery it doesnt work right and i cant click my right stick. however, if i use my play and charge cable it works fine. what could be my problem? im thinking im not grounding in the right spot.
also to double check, does the timer go from 1 to 8 from the front or the back.
and finally which diagram should i follow since they are different.
here is a picture of how i have the pos and neg wires.
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hey guys, i need some help on this mod. when i use a battery it doesnt work right and i cant click my right stick. however, if i use my play and charge cable it works fine. what could be my problem? im thinking im not grounding in the right spot.
also to double check, does the timer go from 1 to 8 from the front or the back.
and finally which diagram should i follow since they are different.
here is a picture of how i have the pos and neg wires.
(https://acidmods.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg184.imageshack.us%2Fimg184%2F6355%2Fphoto0071zr4.jpg&hash=bd041407c23094b353b361ef7c6f15d72e17c060)
Well... look at the chip with the pins down. See the little dot? That's pin 1 right next to it. On that side it would be pin 1(by the dot) then 2,3,4 going down. Then on the right side it would go from the bottom up 5,6,7,8. Hope that helps.
Follow the one mike posted. They are the same thing except one is more confusing.
You may have something wired wrong if your right stick isn't working, check the connections and make sure you ground it to the pin that's in mikes pics for his mods in the tut section.
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i am currently building this, how would i wire up a pot that has 5 pins :dntknw:
in other words i went to radio shack and bought a wheeel pot but the one i bought has 5 pins.... i think i :censored: ed up lol :wacko:
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Sillynuts awesome man. I may try this out when i get more controllers.
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i can make a lot of different mods but i dont get how to read diagrams can u help :help: :beg:
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diagrams on the controller its easy once u open ur controller..
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nvm, nvm wow i feel stupid :faint:
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Greetings all... First of hats off to SillyNuts for the design and to KingMike for polishing up the schematic. this may be a silly quesiton, but on Mike's schematic i do not see the POT included, should this still be wired in between pins 6 and 7? Also should the power for pin 8 and ground for pin 1 be drawin from the points shown on the tutorial posted by KingMike located at: https://www.acidmods.com/forum/index.php?topic=21452.0 ? I've put this together twice now and am still battling with getting it to function. I think everything is correct based on what I see in the schematics above. I am using the old Matrix board wireless controler, and have attached accordingly to the "powersaver mode" point shown in the afore mentioned tut. Could anyone who has this mod working maybe post a close up photo of their connection points and pinout of the 555?
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so the transistor gives it the sleeper quality? i find that kind of hard to believe seeing as its a NPN transistor and all it does is make connection between the two pins when positive voltage is supplied to the middle pin. further explanation please
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wait....... Mike you forgot to put the potentiometer on the pinout shouldnt it be on pins 6/7
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Ok, well i just gave this my third try... and still nothing... I wll say I'm no stranger to building components like this for several different applications, so I am pretty sure that i'm not suffering an ID10T error :cool: hehe. Here's what I've done so far...
attempt 1: installed inside my controller
installed pot in handle so i could adust from outside, installed hidden switch so I could cut power to the 555 chip if i wanted to, wired up 555 according to diagram, and added the pot between pins 6&7 reassembled my controller and nothing... just normal opeation btw on this rig i did NOT install the NPN Transistor just took pin 3 direct to ceter pin on right trigger as in original diagram.
attempt 2:
started with all fresh hardware (including a different matrix controller), built out another assembly on a cut down IC board from radio shack soldered long wires onto power, ground center right trigger pin and bottom right trigger pin, reassembled the controller and connected the power, ground center pin adn bottom pins accordingly, nada same as in first try... in this attempt i tried both with and without the NPN Transistor
attempt 3:
again started with all fresh hardware, except controller, used same controller as in attempt 2 since i already have the 4 appropriate internal connections (properly identified i might add). Now this time i used a project board to ensure no problems with the assembly of the chip with cap resistors, jumpers, etc. again nada... just normal controler operation. again on this attempt i tried both with and without the NPN Transistor
I'm about out of ideas... i know i can follow a schematic and i know i can solder... :help: please... thanks :)
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So did u take out the pot and put a npn?
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island hopper, I am unsure why you are having trouble, i made this board with no problems, and this was the first board I ever made. I have made three of these now using different components and they all work. the only thing that changes is the rate of fire, but they all rapid fire. I have done it multiple times using lager caps trying to eliminate the inconsistencies. this 555 chip drains power from the caps so fast I was not happy with it, but it does work the first time you use it, and every time just in short busts.
use mike's diagram, the best fire rate I got was without the pot at all. if you wire it per king mikes diagram make sure to put in the switching npn transistor as mike illustrates
pin #3 to base of npn, collector to middle trigger pin, emitter to bottom trigger pin
I used the mic's power source for vdd
and the battery ground for the chips ground
works every time on the new cg controllers, I have not tested it on the old controllers, I just used the push button and two wire method for them.
Just for the record, both types of 555 chips (low power or not) create “rapid fire”, but the low power chip in this configuration fires very slow more like auto fire. need to use the normal 555 chip to work the best, in this configuration. Better yet, buy mikes chip LOL
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Yeah i'm about to just buy Mike's chip... Like i say i have a fair amount of experience with low voltage compoents so i'm not getting it... but such is life... I may go buy a new controller and try it on a cg controller just to see as its about the only variable i have not accounted for. The reason I am liking this mod is being to vary the fire rate... I am an avid HALO player so i want to be able to dial the rapid fire to coincide with the fastest that halo will accept the input which i know is not much faster if any over the rate you acheive without mod but the increased accuracy is key... perhaps i should go with one of the multi mode pic mods... i just dont' want to let this one beat me though ;)
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can someone please explain how this is supposed to be a sleeper? i dont get it...
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Or a diagram would be nice.
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island, I only did this on a new cg controller. I am not 100% positive, but I think you would need a different setup for the old controllers.
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OK, being the dilligent tester that I am... I went and got a CG controller to try the mod with, and what do you know... using one of the assemblies I had arelady put together and tested on 2 different matrix controllers it worked first time. :faint: Therefore, I must conclude that this mod does not work with the matrix controllers and only works with the CG controllers. Anyone got any ideas as to why this rig is not cross compatible? I'm also now wondering if the NPN transistor used here to make this a sleeper configuration can be combined with an on/off switch and the 2 wire matrix rapid fire method... thereby acheiving a 'sleeper' rapidfire... hmmm.
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i still dont understand how it can...all the transistor is, is either a switch or an amplifier. its being used as a switch, with that set up its always on...gah...i dont understand it and im getting a huge brainfart
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output from 555 (pin 3) goes to a spst switch then to the npn to turn this mod on and off. also for the low power chip. change the cap between 1&2 to a 1uf and add a 0.1uf cap between 5&1 this will make for a much more reliable circut. also if you want an adjustable rate of fire put a pot along with the 22k resistor between 2 & 7. this is a change to allow use of the low power 555 chip and is much more consistant than the high power chip. new schematic comming this weekend
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this is not compatable with both becouse the old controlers require a low input (ground) and the new ones require a high (vdd) if you play with terminating the transistor diferently it may work, but I have not tried. the matrix contolers are obsolete.
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no double posting...edit your old one...
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this is not compatable with both becouse the old controlers require a low input (ground) and the new ones require a high (vdd) if you play with terminating the transistor diferently it may work, but I have not tried. the matrix contolers are obsolete.
that would make sense... I may tinker and see if i can make a different schematic that will work for the application... there are a lot of matrix controllers out there and I happen to have 3 so... instead of getting newer ones i am going to try and rework this :) Yeah i know i could just go and buy a pic or use a different method but i like to make things work... will post my results if i make it work.
no double posting...edit your old one...
dude? what gives... his 2 posts were regarding totally different subjects and posted on different days... sorry just my opinon but i think you are being a bit anal there... no offense...
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yeah its anal, but its the rules and double posting isnt allowed.
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no double posting...edit your old one...
yea I thought that was anal as well, then I looked and saw he was 15 and let it go....children say the darndest things
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im goin to be trying this today and ill keep you guys updated on how it goes, hopefully it works lol
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Ok 555 Timer Is now Works on Trigger and no external switch needed Works & Tested Last night :tup:
Now all we have to do add a On/off Switch to enable 555 Time and wire up to sync and you got your self
a sleeper rapid fire Kit Like Ours but from radio shack parts.
Ps: Sillynut Your Diagrams Are Hard To Fallow Let Me Help You.
Diagram Below Just a 555 Timer On a Trigger No [On/Off] Switch on it Yet for Sync.
(https://acidmods.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi167.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fu136%2Fkingmike_001%2F555Trigger.png&hash=79d75da3838a2ccf3f4c7ea5cc787b31680691f7)
Ok what does the VDD stand for. I dnt see on this diagram how youll make it a sleeper what wires would u connect to make it a sleeper on the sync.
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what do you think a red wire is? if you dont know you better stop modding.
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Acronym Definition
VDD Virtual Device Driver
VDD Version Description Document
VDD Verein Deutsch Drahthaar
VDD Vendor Due Diligence
VDD Vehicle Detection Device
VDD Voltage Drain Drain (semiconductors)
VDD Verification Description Document
VDD Virtual DOS Driver
VDD Very Deep Draught
VDD Vitamin D Dependency
VDD Value-Driven Design
VDD Voluntary Death by Dehydration -(my personal favorite)
VDD Virtual Disk Drive
VDD Virtual Dolby Digital
VDD Virtual Display Driver
VDD Virtual Display Device
are any of those it? Hmm I wonder if the color has anything to do with it? :dntknw:
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lol idk i think it may be the wire that attaches to the sleeper but i ahve no idea i wnat to do this and have it attached to the sleeper..
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Acronym Definition
VDD Virtual Device Driver
VDD Version Description Document
VDD Verein Deutsch Drahthaar
VDD Vendor Due Diligence
VDD Vehicle Detection Device
VDD Voltage Drain Drain (semiconductors)
VDD Verification Description Document
VDD Virtual DOS Driver
VDD Very Deep Draught
VDD Vitamin D Dependency
VDD Value-Driven Design
VDD Voluntary Death by Dehydration -(my personal favorite)
VDD Virtual Disk Drive
VDD Virtual Dolby Digital
VDD Virtual Display Driver
VDD Virtual Display Device
are any of those it? Hmm I wonder if the color has anything to do with it? :dntknw:
I know, I know--Virtual Display Device!! yep thats it. I am positive solder this RED wire to the Virtual Display Device, inside your controller and there you have it, a perfectly working sleeper with the 555 chip. :clap:
no but seriously, chives I have got nowhere with controling this chip from the sinc button. I had to put it down for a while, it was starting to consume all my free time. I am looking for a D latch, or a flip flop from my local radio shack and not having any luck. I am not sure it will work anyway. as soon as sinc is released the voltage returns inidiatly, I plan on testing a few things out this weekend, but I am starting to think this con only be done with programing or some special order parts. I have just about as much :censored: on my work bench as radio shack, and no luck
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Man, still battling with the momentary button Latching circuit. Can't believe Rat Shack doesn't have JK flip flops, that place is not what it used to be. Congrats on getting 555 RF to work on the trigger tho, that is pretty good accomplishment in itself. Did you get a chance to look at the Op amp stuff I sent you last time? Rat Shack must have op amps, I think that will be your best bet for tools to do this job, that are available locally. Even still it is going to be tricky to deal with the bounce on sync button.
Did I mention how easy it would be to use a pic? LOL just for the latching circuit makes it kindof redundent considering a pic can do the whole thing at once.
Keep on keepin on, I am sure you will figure it out :tup:
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Ok 555 Timer Is now Works on Trigger and no external switch needed Works & Tested Last night :tup:
Now all we have to do add a On/off Switch to enable 555 Time and wire up to sync and you got your self
a sleeper rapid fire Kit Like Ours but from radio shack parts.
Ps: Sillynut Your Diagrams Are Hard To Fallow Let Me Help You.
Diagram Below Just a 555 Timer On a Trigger No [On/Off] Switch on it Yet for Sync.
(https://acidmods.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi167.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fu136%2Fkingmike_001%2F555Trigger.png&hash=79d75da3838a2ccf3f4c7ea5cc787b31680691f7)
i have done this mod before and it seems to me that when ever your batteries start to die the mod slows down will this happen on this and i have read some other tutorials and they say to use the .1 compacitor instead of the .01 compacitor which one works better, also what type of transistor do u use? THANKS :tup:
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yea idk if it was mentioned in this thread but it doesnt matter wats volts it is on the controller to use this right. Works with 5v for the wired controller and 3v for wireless.