*** My 555 Chip with 10k pot. and sleeper added . ___With Video___

[Island_Hopper]

OK, being the dilligent tester that I am... I went and got a CG controller to try the mod with, and what do you know... using one of the assemblies I had arelady put together and tested on 2 different matrix controllers it worked first time.      Therefore, I must conclude that this mod does not work with the matrix controllers and only works with the CG controllers.  Anyone got any ideas as to why this rig is not cross compatible? I'm also now wondering if the NPN transistor used here to make this a sleeper configuration can be combined with an on/off switch and the 2 wire matrix rapid fire method... thereby acheiving a 'sleeper' rapidfire... hmmm.

[kink192]

i still dont understand how it can...all the transistor is, is either a switch or an amplifier. its being used as a switch, with that set up its always on...gah...i dont understand it and im getting a huge brainfart

[Modded Matt]

output from 555 (pin 3) goes to a spst switch then to the npn to turn this mod on and off.  also for the low power chip. change the cap between 1&2 to a 1uf and add a 0.1uf cap between 5&1 this will make for a much more reliable circut. also if you want an adjustable rate of fire put a pot along with the 22k resistor between 2 & 7.  this is a change to allow use of the low power 555 chip and is much more consistant than the high power chip. new schematic comming this weekend

[Modded Matt]

this is not compatable with both becouse the old controlers require a low input (ground) and the new ones require a high (vdd) if you play with terminating the transistor diferently it may work, but I have not tried. the matrix contolers are obsolete. 

[kink192]

no double posting...edit your old one...

[Island_Hopper]

this is not compatable with both becouse the old controlers require a low input (ground) and the new ones require a high (vdd) if you play with terminating the transistor diferently it may work, but I have not tried. the matrix contolers are obsolete. 

that would make sense... I may tinker and see if i can make a different schematic that will work for the application... there are a lot of matrix controllers out there and I happen to have 3 so... instead of getting newer ones i am going to try and rework this   Yeah i know i could just go and buy a pic or use a different method but i like to make things work...  will post my results if i make it work.

no double posting...edit your old one...

dude? what gives... his 2 posts were regarding totally different subjects and posted on different days... sorry just my opinon but i think you are being a bit anal there... no offense...

[kink192]

yeah its anal, but its the rules and double posting isnt allowed.

[Modded Matt]

no double posting...edit your old one...

yea I thought that was anal as well, then I looked and saw he was 15 and let it go....children say the darndest things

[NoLiMiThAcKeR]

im goin to be trying this today and ill keep you guys updated on how it goes, hopefully it works lol

[Blazinkaos]

Ok 555 Timer Is now Works on Trigger and no external switch needed  Works & Tested Last night 
Now all we have to do add a On/off Switch to enable 555 Time and wire up to sync and you got your self
a sleeper rapid fire Kit Like Ours but from radio shack parts.

Ps: Sillynut Your Diagrams Are Hard To Fallow Let Me Help You.

Diagram Below Just a 555 Timer On a Trigger No [On/Off] Switch on it Yet for Sync.

Ok what does the VDD stand for. I dnt see on this diagram how youll make it a sleeper what wires would u connect to make it a sleeper on the sync.

[gameroms]

what do you think a red wire is?  if you dont know you better stop modding.

[802Chives]

Acronym Definition
VDD        Virtual Device Driver
VDD        Version Description Document
VDD        Verein Deutsch Drahthaar
VDD        Vendor Due Diligence
VDD        Vehicle Detection Device
VDD        Voltage Drain Drain (semiconductors)
VDD        Verification Description Document
VDD        Virtual DOS Driver
VDD        Very Deep Draught
VDD        Vitamin D Dependency
VDD        Value-Driven Design
VDD        Voluntary Death by Dehydration -(my personal favorite)
VDD        Virtual Disk Drive
VDD        Virtual Dolby Digital
VDD        Virtual Display Driver
VDD        Virtual Display Device

are any of those it? Hmm I wonder if the color has anything to do with it?

[Blazinkaos]

lol idk i think it may be the wire that attaches to the sleeper but i ahve no idea i wnat to do this and have it attached to the sleeper..

[Modded Matt]

Acronym Definition
VDD        Virtual Device Driver
VDD        Version Description Document
VDD        Verein Deutsch Drahthaar
VDD        Vendor Due Diligence
VDD        Vehicle Detection Device
VDD        Voltage Drain Drain (semiconductors)
VDD        Verification Description Document
VDD        Virtual DOS Driver
VDD        Very Deep Draught
VDD        Vitamin D Dependency
VDD        Value-Driven Design
VDD        Voluntary Death by Dehydration -(my personal favorite)
VDD        Virtual Disk Drive
VDD        Virtual Dolby Digital
VDD        Virtual Display Driver
VDD        Virtual Display Device

are any of those it? Hmm I wonder if the color has anything to do with it?

I know, I know--Virtual Display Device!! yep thats it. I am positive solder this RED wire to the Virtual Display Device, inside your controller and there you have it, a perfectly working sleeper with the 555 chip. 

no but seriously, chives I have got nowhere with controling this chip from the sinc button. I had to put it down for a while, it was starting to consume all my free time. I am looking for a D latch, or a flip flop from my local radio shack and not having any luck. I am not sure it will work anyway. as soon as sinc is released the voltage returns inidiatly, I plan on testing a few things out this weekend, but I am starting to think this con only be done with programing or some special order parts. I have just about as much  on my work bench as radio shack, and no luck

[802Chives]

Man, still battling with the momentary button Latching circuit.  Can't believe Rat Shack doesn't have JK flip flops, that place is not what it used to be.  Congrats on getting 555 RF to work on the trigger tho, that is pretty good accomplishment in itself.  Did you get a chance to look at the Op amp stuff I sent you last time? Rat Shack must have op amps, I think that will be your best bet for tools to do this job, that are available locally.  Even still it is going to be tricky to deal with the bounce on sync button.

Did I mention how easy it would be to use a pic? LOL just for the latching circuit makes it kindof redundent considering a pic can do the whole thing at once. 

Keep on keepin on, I am sure you will figure it out

[IRISH SMURF 300]

Ok 555 Timer Is now Works on Trigger and no external switch needed  Works & Tested Last night 
Now all we have to do add a On/off Switch to enable 555 Time and wire up to sync and you got your self
a sleeper rapid fire Kit Like Ours but from radio shack parts.

Ps: Sillynut Your Diagrams Are Hard To Fallow Let Me Help You.

Diagram Below Just a 555 Timer On a Trigger No [On/Off] Switch on it Yet for Sync.

i have done this mod before and it seems to me that when ever your batteries start to die the mod slows down    will this happen on this and i have read some other tutorials and they say to use the .1 compacitor instead of the .01 compacitor  which one works better, also what type of transistor do u use?      THANKS

[Blazinkaos]

yea idk if it was mentioned in this thread but it doesnt matter wats volts it is on the controller to use this right. Works with 5v for the wired controller and 3v for wireless.