Author Topic: *** My 555 Chip with 10k pot. and sleeper added . _With Video_ (Read 25753 times)

SillyNuts · « **on:** August 27, 2008, 02:07:15 PM »

Works on: Wireless / wired / cheepys
Parts List

1k Res: 271-1321
22k Res: 271-1339
555cn Timer: 276-1723
.01uf Cap: 272-1065
10k Pot: 271-282

Ok after not being able to sleep and talking to mike on the phone he found a way to do the sleeper for my 555 chip.
1. take the rapid out put (pin 3 on my chip)
2. add a 1k res to it
3. wire the other end of the 1k res to the base (pin 2 of the npn) on the npn tans (middle pin) Any npn will work i used the asorted pack part nuber # 276-1617
4. pin 1 of the npn trans will go to the buttom pin of the trigger
5. pin 3 of the npn trans will go to the middle pin trigger.

sorry for the lame pin out ill will redo the tut with the new video of the sleeper working tomm. as it is 3:00am here and im half a sleep.

Thansk mike

i will edit this post with the videos. and sleeper pinout after mike and i get done hope today or tomm. hope this is a lil easyer to follow for yall.

Winterz117 · « **Reply #1 on:** August 27, 2008, 02:44:05 PM »

so the pot will adjustthe resistance, thus changing the fire rate? will this make your method work in halo 3?

SillyNuts · « **Reply #2 on:** August 27, 2008, 02:44:37 PM »

kink192 · « **Reply #3 on:** August 27, 2008, 05:09:36 PM »

wheres the button to control on/off, with that schematic it shows always on

SillyNuts · « **Reply #4 on:** August 27, 2008, 05:21:43 PM »

the sleeper is not posted yet that will be posted on this thread today or tomm.

40_ounce · « **Reply #5 on:** August 28, 2008, 07:52:46 AM »

Nice. Im looking to mode my other controller. Can't wait.

kink192 · « **Reply #6 on:** August 28, 2008, 03:16:28 PM »

ive got another question..sorry for being such a pain, but youve got the 22k resistor and the pot wired in parallel. the current is going to take the fastest path from neg to pos, if the pot is lower then the 22k the electrons will take the pot, if the pot is higher then 22k then the electrons are going to flow through the resistor. basically your making the resistance between pin 6 and 7 22k or lower. just something i noticed and am very curious about

SillyNuts · « **Reply #7 on:** August 28, 2008, 08:05:34 PM »

lol kink you are thinking to hard. do it on a solderless bb and test it

watch and see.

kink192 · « **Reply #8 on:** August 29, 2008, 04:08:14 PM »

i always over think, lol, but ill take your word that it works [i dont have the parts or money to buy the parts to test] but i just think the 22k resistor is not needed

KingMike_OS · « **Reply #9 on:** August 30, 2008, 01:01:31 AM »

Ok 555 Timer Is now Works on Trigger and no external switch needed Works & Tested Last night

Now all we have to do add a On/off Switch to enable 555 Time and wire up to sync and you got your self
a sleeper rapid fire Kit Like Ours but from radio shack parts.

Ps: Sillynut Your Diagrams Are Hard To Fallow Let Me Help You.

Diagram Below Just a 555 Timer On a Trigger No [On/Off] Switch on it Yet for Sync.

Winterz117 · « **Reply #10 on:** August 30, 2008, 06:28:32 AM »

i have my 555 on a wired controller, is it possible to do this on the wired?

bill16504 · « **Reply #11 on:** August 30, 2008, 09:03:33 AM »

This is still the regular 555 timer and not the low power 555, right?

SillyNuts · « **Reply #12 on:** August 30, 2008, 10:21:41 AM »

this is the 555 timer ic yes no cmos. cmos will not work for my chip setup

the seeker · « **Reply #13 on:** August 30, 2008, 11:27:51 PM »

hey guys, i need some help on this mod. when i use a battery it doesnt work right and i cant click my right stick. however, if i use my play and charge cable it works fine. what could be my problem? im thinking im not grounding in the right spot.

also to double check, does the timer go from 1 to 8 from the front or the back.

and finally which diagram should i follow since they are different.

here is a picture of how i have the pos and neg wires.

PspKicks316 · « **Reply #14 on:** August 31, 2008, 08:05:32 AM »

Quote from: the seeker on August 30, 2008, 11:27:51 PM

hey guys, i need some help on this mod. when i use a battery it doesnt work right and i cant click my right stick. however, if i use my play and charge cable it works fine. what could be my problem? im thinking im not grounding in the right spot.

also to double check, does the timer go from 1 to 8 from the front or the back.

and finally which diagram should i follow since they are different.

here is a picture of how i have the pos and neg wires.

Well... look at the chip with the pins down. See the little dot? That's pin 1 right next to it. On that side it would be pin 1(by the dot) then 2,3,4 going down. Then on the right side it would go from the bottom up 5,6,7,8. Hope that helps.

Follow the one mike posted. They are the same thing except one is more confusing.
You may have something wired wrong if your right stick isn't working, check the connections and make sure you ground it to the pin that's in mikes pics for his mods in the tut section.

blackburn · « **Reply #15 on:** September 06, 2008, 06:07:57 PM »

i am currently building this, how would i wire up a pot that has 5 pins

in other words i went to radio shack and bought a wheeel pot but the one i bought has 5 pins.... i think i

ed up lol

Blazinkaos · « **Reply #16 on:** September 07, 2008, 09:46:45 PM »

Sillynuts awesome man. I may try this out when i get more controllers.

IRISH SMURF 300 · « **Reply #17 on:** September 14, 2008, 12:15:53 AM »

i can make a lot of different mods but i dont get how to read diagrams can u help

Blazinkaos · « **Reply #18 on:** September 14, 2008, 10:18:09 AM »

diagrams on the controller its easy once u open ur controller..

blackburn · « **Reply #19 on:** September 14, 2008, 04:08:04 PM »

nvm, nvm wow i feel stupid

Island_Hopper · « **Reply #20 on:** September 15, 2008, 03:17:49 PM »

Greetings all... First of hats off to SillyNuts for the design and to KingMike for polishing up the schematic. this may be a silly quesiton, but on Mike's schematic i do not see the POT included, should this still be wired in between pins 6 and 7? Also should the power for pin 8 and ground for pin 1 be drawin from the points shown on the tutorial posted by KingMike located at: https://www.acidmods.com/forum/index.php?topic=21452.0 ? I've put this together twice now and am still battling with getting it to function. I think everything is correct based on what I see in the schematics above. I am using the old Matrix board wireless controler, and have attached accordingly to the "powersaver mode" point shown in the afore mentioned tut. Could anyone who has this mod working maybe post a close up photo of their connection points and pinout of the 555?

kink192 · « **Reply #21 on:** September 16, 2008, 02:03:25 PM »

so the transistor gives it the sleeper quality? i find that kind of hard to believe seeing as its a NPN transistor and all it does is make connection between the two pins when positive voltage is supplied to the middle pin. further explanation please

blackburn · « **Reply #22 on:** September 16, 2008, 05:57:24 PM »

wait....... Mike you forgot to put the potentiometer on the pinout shouldnt it be on pins 6/7

Island_Hopper · « **Reply #23 on:** September 16, 2008, 07:14:02 PM »

Ok, well i just gave this my third try... and still nothing... I wll say I'm no stranger to building components like this for several different applications, so I am pretty sure that i'm not suffering an ID10T error

hehe. Here's what I've done so far...

attempt 1: installed inside my controller

installed pot in handle so i could adust from outside, installed hidden switch so I could cut power to the 555 chip if i wanted to, wired up 555 according to diagram, and added the pot between pins 6&7 reassembled my controller and nothing... just normal opeation btw on this rig i did NOT install the NPN Transistor just took pin 3 direct to ceter pin on right trigger as in original diagram.

attempt 2:

started with all fresh hardware (including a different matrix controller), built out another assembly on a cut down IC board from radio shack soldered long wires onto power, ground center right trigger pin and bottom right trigger pin, reassembled the controller and connected the power, ground center pin adn bottom pins accordingly, nada same as in first try... in this attempt i tried both with and without the NPN Transistor

attempt 3:

again started with all fresh hardware, except controller, used same controller as in attempt 2 since i already have the 4 appropriate internal connections (properly identified i might add). Now this time i used a project board to ensure no problems with the assembly of the chip with cap resistors, jumpers, etc. again nada... just normal controler operation. again on this attempt i tried both with and without the NPN Transistor

I'm about out of ideas... i know i can follow a schematic and i know i can solder...

please... thanks

dvalle07 · « **Reply #24 on:** September 17, 2008, 08:52:42 PM »

So did u take out the pot and put a npn?

Modded Matt · « **Reply #25 on:** September 18, 2008, 09:21:25 AM »

island hopper, I am unsure why you are having trouble, i made this board with no problems, and this was the first board I ever made. I have made three of these now using different components and they all work. the only thing that changes is the rate of fire, but they all rapid fire. I have done it multiple times using lager caps trying to eliminate the inconsistencies. this 555 chip drains power from the caps so fast I was not happy with it, but it does work the first time you use it, and every time just in short busts.

use mike's diagram, the best fire rate I got was without the pot at all. if you wire it per king mikes diagram make sure to put in the switching npn transistor as mike illustrates

pin #3 to base of npn, collector to middle trigger pin, emitter to bottom trigger pin
I used the mic's power source for vdd
and the battery ground for the chips ground

works every time on the new cg controllers, I have not tested it on the old controllers, I just used the push button and two wire method for them.

Just for the record, both types of 555 chips (low power or not) create “rapid fire”, but the low power chip in this configuration fires very slow more like auto fire. need to use the normal 555 chip to work the best, in this configuration. Better yet, buy mikes chip LOL

Island_Hopper · « **Reply #26 on:** September 18, 2008, 02:53:56 PM »

Yeah i'm about to just buy Mike's chip... Like i say i have a fair amount of experience with low voltage compoents so i'm not getting it... but such is life... I may go buy a new controller and try it on a cg controller just to see as its about the only variable i have not accounted for. The reason I am liking this mod is being to vary the fire rate... I am an avid HALO player so i want to be able to dial the rapid fire to coincide with the fastest that halo will accept the input which i know is not much faster if any over the rate you acheive without mod but the increased accuracy is key... perhaps i should go with one of the multi mode pic mods... i just dont' want to let this one beat me though

kink192 · « **Reply #27 on:** September 18, 2008, 03:51:05 PM »

can someone please explain how this is supposed to be a sleeper? i dont get it...

Blazinkaos · « **Reply #28 on:** September 18, 2008, 10:23:40 PM »

Or a diagram would be nice.

Modded Matt · « **Reply #29 on:** September 19, 2008, 07:35:02 PM »

island, I only did this on a new cg controller. I am not 100% positive, but I think you would need a different setup for the old controllers.

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Author Topic: *** My 555 Chip with 10k pot. and sleeper added . ___With Video___ (Read 25753 times)

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